Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to Feed 9 Billion People
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:43:19 -0800 (PST)
Who has it? Seems like a really important thing. But on the other hand, a lot
of people seeing it, will go "oh, this means that 'They' have that all under
control, we don't have any environmental or soil or water issues so we can
just go on living like we're living and not take any responsibility....."
I would use it to demonstrate that growing food more sustainably is
important. Would really like to get a copy!
________________________________
From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to Feed 9 Billion People
I asked that same thing once and was told they would get it to me.
They must have forgotten.
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Where is a copy of this study re Sepp Holzer's methods, Paul? Is it
> available to be viewed?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to Feed 9 Billion People
>
>> How about if we don't feed 9 billion people, don't make the inevitable
>> even worse by putting it off yet another 30 years, and instead pay the
>> human cost of not inflicting more ecocide on the planet. The most recent
>> 2.5 billion came from turning oil into food; we're way, way past carrying
>> capacity in a way that adopting a "drill, baby, drill" attitude toward
>> food won't change. More food makes more people. More people increase human
>> impact. That's just physics. Does anyone else see this?
>
> I think a lot of James Bond movies start with this. The villain is
> trying to save humanity by killing a large portion of people. And
> James Bond stops them so overpopulation can continue.
>
> In the 20's Americans pushed for eugenics and Hitler tried to impress
> those same Americans with really doing it - according to his
> interpretation.
>
> I've heard an argument favoring pesticides and childhood cancer:
> thinning out the weak to control population.
>
> I've heard some similar stuff about AIDS.
>
> And then you throw in that stuff from the movie Idiocracy.
>
> All this adds up to a terrible stomach ache.
>
> It's easy to say "population control" - the horrifically difficult
> part is an actual solution.
>
> The Poisonwood Bible offers painful clarity in this space. One path
> is horrifying. And the other path is a different flavor of
> horrifying.
>
> Critically important. And horrifying.
>
> In the meantime, a study has been completed that shows that Sepp
> Holzer's techniques will feed 21 billion people without irrigation or
> fertilizer.
>
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Dr. Immo Fiebrig was the guy that was saying he could get it to me.
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Who has it? Seems like a really important thing. But on the other hand, a
> lot of people seeing it, will go "oh, this means that 'They' have that all
> under control, we don't have any environmental or soil or water issues so
> we can just go on living like we're living and not take any
> responsibility....."
>
> I would use it to demonstrate that growing food more sustainably is
> important. Would really like to get a copy!
>
> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to Feed 9 Billion People
>
> I asked that same thing once and was told they would get it to me.
> They must have forgotten.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Where is a copy of this study re Sepp Holzer's methods, Paul? Is it
>> available to be viewed?
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
>> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 6:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to Feed 9 Billion People
>>
>>> How about if we don't feed 9 billion people, don't make the inevitable
>>> even worse by putting it off yet another 30 years, and instead pay the
>>> human cost of not inflicting more ecocide on the planet. The most recent
>>> 2.5 billion came from turning oil into food; we're way, way past carrying
>>> capacity in a way that adopting a "drill, baby, drill" attitude toward
>>> food won't change. More food makes more people. More people increase
>>> human impact. That's just physics. Does anyone else see this?
>>
>> I think a lot of James Bond movies start with this. The villain is
>> trying to save humanity by killing a large portion of people. And
>> James Bond stops them so overpopulation can continue.
>>
>> In the 20's Americans pushed for eugenics and Hitler tried to impress
>> those same Americans with really doing it - according to his
>> interpretation.
>>
>> I've heard an argument favoring pesticides and childhood cancer:
>> thinning out the weak to control population.
>>
>> I've heard some similar stuff about AIDS.
>>
>> And then you throw in that stuff from the movie Idiocracy.
>>
>> All this adds up to a terrible stomach ache.
>>
>> It's easy to say "population control" - the horrifically difficult
>> part is an actual solution.
>>
>> The Poisonwood Bible offers painful clarity in this space. One path
>> is horrifying. And the other path is a different flavor of
>> horrifying.
>>
>> Critically important. And horrifying.
>>
>> In the meantime, a study has been completed that shows that Sepp
>> Holzer's techniques will feed 21 billion people without irrigation or
>> fertilizer.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sign up for my daily-ish email, or my devious plots for world
>> domination: http://www.richsoil.com/email.jsp
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