| My experience has been different. I've never used anything other than the fruit itself & still I got the goo when I used whole berries in the primary. Like I said previously, my observations have told me that ripeness directly affects the amount of goo & the process of juicing seems to reduce to a minimum. & to answer Bert's question from yesterday. There are a number of different brands out there but they all are all natural, biodegradable, environmentally safe, non-water soluble organic citrus based solvent cleaner and degreaser. For people growing under organic certification they are indispensible for some hard to clean situations since I believe bleach is not permitted. & Bert, that's a tremendous collection of grapes that you available on your website, I wish you were located on the other side of the border. ~mIEKAL On Dec 12, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Jim Fruth wrote:
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