To: "b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Verb Stems Confusion
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:38:39 -0500
Jason:
I am fully aware that not all words appear in all stems. So the
assumption that I'm wanting to put any root into any stem is false.
Again, I just want to know what these forms are, and how to handle them
when I come across them. So if I see a word in stem X, I want to know
how the stem is dictating the translation. I'm not trying to build words
- just take them apart.
Lloyd and George
I want to thank you two VERY much for helping me to understand this stuff!!!
So would the following chart be correct:
Qal: Active, Simple - "Bob broke it"
Nifal/Qal Passive: Passive Simple - "Bob was broken"
Piel/Polel/Poel/Palel/Pilpel/Pealal: Active, Intensive - "Bob REALLY
broke it"
Pual/Polal/Poal/Pulal: Passive, Intensive - "Bob was REALLY broken"
Hifil/Tifil: Active, Causative - "Bob caused it to break"
Hofal/Hotpaal: Passive, Causative - "Bob caused it to be broken"
Hitpael/Hitpalpel/Hishtafel: Reflexive - "Bob caused himself broken"
Am I right so far?
I have just three items I need clarified:
Pilel: According to George its a hybrid, according to Lloyd it is the
same as Piel.
Polpal: According to George its the same as Piel, according to Lloyd it
is the same as Pual.
Nitpael: According to George its "intensive passive (half nifal, half
piel)". Wouldn't that make it the same as Pual?
Thanks again for the help!!!
B"H
John
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