In a message dated 7/16/2007 11:05:39 AM Central Daylight Time, hholmyard3 AT earthlink.net writes:
Dear Joseph,
"עִמָּנוּ
יד לָכֵן יִתֵּן אֲדֹנָי הוּא, לָכֶם--אוֹת: הִנֵּה הָעַלְמָה, הָרָה וְיֹלֶדֶת בֵּן, וְקָרָאת שְׁמוֹ,אֵל. 14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, theyoungwoman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
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The closest Textual Marker I see here to the offending word is:
הִנֵּה
Common translations are "here is", "behold" and "look". For starters, BDBLexicon looks to me to give a most often usage in the Jewish Bible of a connotation of the visual as in pointing to something physically present.This is aNatural combination to the use of the definite article for the young womanasthe picture is Isaiah physically pointing to the young woman in thepresenceof Ahaz. HNH is a relatively common word though and has a broader meaning than the physical connotation. BDB gives the next usage category as emphasizing theconnotation of an attention getting device for new information and has categorized 7:14 here (mistakenly in my opinion).
HH: Your claim here that HNH has to point to an event which is happening, rather than to one in the imminent or even distant future, is incorrect. Look at one of the first references to HNH in the Bible:
Gen. 6:13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy (HNH plus first person suffix plus Hiphil participle) both them and the earth.
The flood was some time away when God spoke these words because Noah had not yet built the ark or collected the food and animals. HNH can refer to the future, especially with the so-called "futurum instans" participle. Other examples are Gen 6:17; 1 Sam 3:11; and 2 Kings 7:2.
JW:
I did not indicate in what you quoted by me that "HNH has to point to an event which is happening, rather than to one in the imminent or even distant future". What I did indicate is that BDB gives a most common meaning of physically present. So you have not responded to my point that physical presence is the most common meaning and responded to a point I did not make.
Moving forward from the definite article of 7:14 which is usually translated as "the"
to the surrounding Textual Markers and Context, we now have HNH at the start of the
sentence which supports the Hebrew definite article here as referring to a young
woman who was physically present. This explains, for Peter's benefit, why the young
woman does not need to be named by the text. The definite article is primarily for the
benefit of the Hebrew Hearer and not the reader. What is most important here is that Ahaz knows who the young woman is and not that we do. As HNH is supporting the definite article as meaning not only that the young woman was
known to Isaiah but also Ahaz this increases the demand on the surrounding context to
clearly counter this conclusion if the author intended to communicate a young woman
that was not known to Isaiah or at least not known to Ahaz.
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