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  • From: Eric Sandall <eric AT sandall.us>
  • To: sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [SM-Discuss] GNOME 3
  • Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:39:41 -0700

On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 01:58 +0200, Ladislav Hagara wrote:
> Hi,
>
> imho, GNOME 3 is prepared to be pulled into test grimoire.
> Now it is located in devel-gnome-3.0.0 branch [1].
> Please test it.
>
> Still there is a question what to do with libs and applications. I
> updated for example epiphany, evince or even eog2 in gnome2-libs and
> gnome2-apps into 3.0.0. Some developers would prefer to create new
> spells epiphany3, evince3 and eog3 and create gnome3-apps section. Imho,
> it is only a lot of useless work. Grimoire lead is also against creating
> for example spiphany3 spell. Why use epiphany 2.30 when the stable one
> is 3.0? If spell names are not changed users can easily update their
> boxes by sorcery system-update and we won't have to deprecated old
> spells. Personally I would prefer to have only gnome-apps and gnome-libs
> sections. Of course, for applications based on gnome2 libraries we will
> provide spells for them. For example I have created spells for new 3.0
> libraries gnome-desktop3, gtksourceview3, libwnck3 and libunique because
> some of my favourite applications still need gnome2-libs. For what other
> libs we should create libxxx3 spells and revert libxxx2 in
> devel-gnome-3.0.0?
>
> Of course we have to fix DEPENDS files and ..., but I would prefer to do
> it after we pull gnome-3.0.0 into test to prevent collisions.
>
> Gnome-shell works for me like a charm. Of course there is a fallback
> mode with gnome-panel.
>
> [1]
> http://scmweb.sourcemage.org/gitweb.cgi?p=smgl/grimoire.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/devel-gnome-3.0.0

My personal preference would be to properly deprecate the older DEs
(e.g. KDE 3, GNOME 1.x, GNOME 2.x) in favour of the new (e.g. KDE 4,
GNOME 3) if upstream does the same (which they have). Otherwise, we get
old stagnant spells which are never touched and probably don't even work
anymore. We're supposed to follow upstream as much as possible. ;)

That being said, so long as the old DE still works, we could still
support it (e.g. GNOME 2.x). Further weight is lent to keeping the older
DE when packages still require it, or portions of it.

Can GNOME 3.x and GNOME 2.x co-exist? I know KDE 3 and KDE 4 can, but
that required extra work (and placing KDE 4 into /opt).

Given the above, and that folks have expressed a need (valid to them, at
the least) to keep the old DE around, we should work to provide both,
preferably with both installed side-by-side, but if that's not possible,
then making all new GNOME 3 spells where needed and leaving the GNOME 2
spells as-is.

-sandalle

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  • [SM-Discuss] GNOME 3, Ladislav Hagara, 04/25/2011
    • Re: [SM-Discuss] GNOME 3, Eric Sandall, 04/27/2011

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