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  • From: Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] List of permaculture teachers in North America - PLEASE EDIT
  • Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:13:51 -0700 (PDT)

Thank you Jason for the germane comments.  I agree with all your comments and
suggestions.

 
Crowdsourcing the
information is the best way.  However,
many people will not use it or fill out their info.  So it will be
incomplete.  The reason this list is so voluminous already
is because I took the bull by the horns and went through the Activist issues.
. I will continue to
improve this list using other avenues besides the Activist.
 
Certainly some of the pdcs
listed did not happen. They were canceled.  I know this because I found about
4 canceled pdcs of my own listed. 
 
The upgraded list should
spell out whether the person was a senior instructor (ie. was around for the
whole course and signed the certificates), or was a guest instructor for part
of the time, or an intern teacher. 
 
One thing I would really
like to add is what year the person took their first pdc.  This gives a good
idea when a person really
got their start in pc.  .  I think a person’s first pdc is really a good
way to denote when their pc career started. Take myself, for instance. I took
my first pdc in 1982.  I taught my first
pdc in 1988. I started organic farming and organizing in 1972 and started
using
the word permaculture in 1981. My first pdc was really when the lights went
on
 
It is a good idea to have
each pdc listed as to whether it was a residential course, weekend course,
on-line course, etc.  Some courses are
3-weeks long.  Others are two weeks. Some
are 10 day long or even shorter. 
 
We can expect to see a new
surge of people who have taken an on-line pdc.  Some of them will want to
start teaching.  Some of them may have never stuck a shovel in
the ground. Quality control is out the window. I look forward to discussing
all
these matters at the North American Permaculture Convergence.
 
Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds


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On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:10 PM, Jason Gerhardt <jasongerhardt@gmail.com>
wrote:

I have a few thoughts to share about the data gathering of permaculture
teachers. One main clarification would be to come up with a definition of
what it means to teach a PDC. Does that mean one was the lead instructor?
Or, teaching a couple segments? Or, signing certificates? A lot of listings
show guest instructors as well as lead instructors, without clarifying
roles. Also, how can you be sure those classes were actually taught? A
course listing suggests one is trying to get people to register, but
inevitably, some courses don’t end up happening because of lack of
registration.



If using the pc activist or any other source how can one be sure that the
names in there were the people who actually taught the course? For example,
I have been listed on CRMPI’s (Central Rocky Mountain Permaculture
Institute) website for a couple years, but due to scheduling conflicts have
never actually taught in their course.



In general, I think course listings would be a somewhat inaccurate way to
gather this info. I think a crowdsourced approach, like Rafter suggests,
would be potentially more useful. It would seem letting people fill in
their own information would be a more accurate way of getting it. Then the
inevitable errors of leaving people out or any other inaccuracy will be the
responsibility of the individual rather than the list maker/keeper.
However, crowdsourcing will leave out those who are now inactive in the
permaculture scene.



It would also be cool to collect whether the course was a three week
residential, two week residential, weekend, collegiate, online, or any
other formats to keep track of the evolution of PDC formatting, which is
going to become an important history to track as more and more courses are
offered.



I say this knowing full well I have no time or energy to contribute to this
project, so I’m just humbly offering these thoughts as I applaud you,
Michael, for taking this on…no small project! I think this is a very
valuable thing. As a baseball fan, I love it when new players come up from
the minors with a deep understanding of the history of the team and what it
means to represent that history. I look at permaculture in a similar light.
Respect the lineages, respect the elders, know the track that others have
beaten to allow for your own success. Unfortunately, I see less of this
from the newer folks coming into the fold than I would like. So I think a
permaculture history project is totally in order, even if it isn’t perfect.



Best of wishes,

Jason G.

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