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  • From: Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] North American Permaculture History Project
  • Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:10:37 -0700

Thanks Rafter

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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:46 PM, rafter sass ferguson <
liberationecology@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love this project! Thanks so much to Michael for kicking this off.
> The idea of mining back issues of Pc Activist for course listings is a
> great one, and will likely produce data we couldn't get any other way.
>
> As a supplement to that, I'm interested in following up on Sandra's
> interesting idea - basically, crowdsourcing the data collection process
> online.
>
> With an eye to...
> * making it easier to enter, collate, and do quality control on the data
> (including for the Pc Activist archival search), and...
> * making it possible for many people to contribute...
>
> ...I whipped up a Google form to show what it might look like. (I made it
> international in scope, just for fun.)
>
> This is the Google form:
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1RUVYGwXZnbNMXifzsAOwfX62o2t6AIxa1UaWvTndmns/viewform
>
> And this is what it looks like embedded in a wordpress site:
> http://liberationecology.org/wpgforms/permaculture-history-project/
>
> Note that these form are live, but I haven't shared or promoted anything
> yet, as I want to make sure this is acceptable to the folks who have
> already put work in - namely, Michael!
>
> Michael, would you consider this a valid complementary strategy to what
> you've already begun? Could the form be useful for you in the work you've
> already begun (like for data entry)?
>
> One snazzy thing about the Google form is that it shows any respondent
> summary graphics of all responses automagically after they submit. No
> information hoarding here.
>
> I'd like to hear feedback, suggestions, thoughts.
> Thanks for your consideration, all.
>
> Warmly,
> Rafter
>
>
>
>
> Rafter Sass Ferguson, MS
> PhD Candidate | Crop Sciences Department
> University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign
> liberationecology.org
> 518 567 7407
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:26 AM, sandra campe
> <zukunftswerkstatt@riseup.net>wrote:
>
> > hi all,
> >
> > for europe, we are discussing something similar at the moment. we have
> > started the other way round though: created a google form into which
> > people can add their information (and planning to spread the link
> > through our networks).
> > if you are interested, i can send you the link to that form, in case
> > someone would want to create something similar?
> >
> > and another thing i just remembered:
> > a colleague compiled a list of websites and facebook pages where it is
> > possible to post courses - so maybe that is a place to search for
> > NA-teachers, too?
> >
> > Websites with course listings
> > http://www.permaculture.net/courses/listings.html
> > http://www.permacultureactivist.net/DesignCourse/Europe.htm
> > http://www.permacultureglobal.com/
> > http://www.permaculture.org.uk/international/europe
> > http://permacultureplanet.com/index.php?
> > http://www.permacultureglobal.com/posts/788
> >
> >
> > Facebook pages and groups
> > https://www.facebook.com/groups/Permaculture.courses/
> > https://www.facebook.com/groups/210962832254897/
> > https://www.facebook.com/groups/permacultureeurope/
> > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Permaculture-Europe/120523378070618
> >
> > good luck with the NAPC!
> >
> > sandra
> >
> >
> >
> > On 18.04.2014 03:32, Toby Hemenway wrote:
> > > Though the Activist is a good place to start, I know that there are
> many
> > teachers in NA that haven't listed there. I haven't listed my PDCs there
> > for several years, and I know of several other active older teachers,
> and a
> > large number of younger ones, who don't list their courses there. So I
> > think Lawrence's suggestion of Google archive searches will be necessary
> to
> > get accurate results.
> > >
> > > But there are also some PDCs being taught at universities by faculty
> > that never get advertised off-campus at all, so you'll miss those
> teachers.
> > Several were taught at Pacific University by faculty who never taught
> > elsewhere.
> > >
> > > Permaculture is starting to get too big to keep track of. That's a good
> > thing.
> > >
> > > Good luck, tho--keep pluggin' away!
> > >
> > > Toby
> > > http://patternliteracy.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Michael Pilarski <
> > friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> PERMACULTURE TEACHERS IN THE USA and
> > >> NORTH AMERICA
> > >> Historical List - Proposal by Michael
> > >> Pilarski
> > >>
> > >> There hasn't been a list of PDC
> > >> teachers for the US and Canada since John Irwin's 1998 American
> > Permaculture Directory. It listed most of the PDC
> > >> teachers at the time plus many PDC graduates and other useful
> resources.
> > >>
> > >> I propose we do something spectacular
> > >> along these lines at the NAPC (North American Permaculture
> > Convergence). If
> > >> even half of us brought a special contribution or snippet of
> > information, it
> > >> would add up to a lot. Of course there
> > >> are lots of internet resources, but I don't think anyone has compiled
> a
> > list of
> > >> PDC teachers.
> > >>
> > >> Here
> > >> is my proposal. Someone(s) goes through all 91 issues (as of Spring
> > 2014) of the Permaculture Activist. Make a data base
> > >> which lists every PDC instructor mentioned in the Events and Calendar
> > sections.
> > >> Start at Issue #1 and work up. Enter the first year that a PDC
> > instructor's
> > >> name appears. Add each following year that their name appears. Print
> > it out. That would give us a list of PDC instructors, the year they
> started
> > >> teaching, the last year they taught and how many years their name
> > >> appeared. Personally, I would be
> > >> fascinated to read the list.
> > >>
> > >> Of course, not all PDC instructors
> > >> advertise through the PC Activist,
> > >> but it would be a darn good start. We
> > >> can post this print-out at the NAPC and people can help fill in the
> > missing
> > >> pieces. After the NAPC add in the new
> > >> names and post on-line for everyone to view. This could be further
> > added to and edited if someone wants to take this
> > >> on as a continuing history project. Most courses (but not all) in the
> > USA and
> > >> Canada list in the Activist. PDCs in
> > >> Mexico do not get into the Activist,
> > >> by and large. Who can fill in that part of the directory?
> > >>
> > >> I do have a complete set of the Permaculture Activist back issues, but
> > >> it is currently boxed in storage. Anyone willing to collaborate on
> this
> > project
> > >> please contact me at friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com
> > >> - Michael Pilarski
> > >>
> > >> PS. This is part of a larger North American Permaculture History
> > Project.
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