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  • From: Jim <ashevillecurrencyproject@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] "certified permaculture designers"/ who certifies?
  • Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:16:28 -0400

Hi-
This response from Scott just went to me at first, and I send it out to
all with his permission.
-- Jim
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Scott Pittman wrote:
All of the information that I am talking about is in "The Foundation
Yearbook of The Permaculture Academy" compiled by Bill Mollison. There 10 fields for theses and projects and they are Education, Media, Site
Development, Site Design, Community Services, Finance and Business,
Technical Development, Resource Development, Architecture and Building, and
Research.

We issue the diploma from the Permaculture Institute and persons issueing
the diploma are themselves diplomats.

As far a mentoring goes most of the teachers and practitioners I know are
pretty busy and mentor when there is time. I was mentored by Bill Mollison
but my mentoring entailed teaching with Bill and having him in the back of
the room, which was extremely unnerving. The problem I have with mentoring
is the expectation of the mentoree to receive instruction and experience
without contributing much, either in labor or payment. While I understand
the desire for free education, I don't have the time or the inclination to
provide such as long as I have to make a living. When I win the lottery
perhaps I will change my mind.

To become a good teacher I believe that one has to observe good teachers in
the classroom, and participate when one is ready. This is why Bill
established the tradition of allowing anyone who is a certificate holder to
attend subsequent certification courses free of tuition - only paying those
costs that are incurred by ones attendance ie food, lodging, and venue cost.
The permaculture institute follows this tradition and the teachers that we
recommend also follow it.

Most of the mentoring I do around design is local with local students.
Since a lot of the design work I do is international it is difficult to get
the client to pay for the costs of a mentor's travel and other costs.

Having said all of this I think that we could do a much better job in follow
up to the pc design course. We should have a good mentoring and
apprenticeship program that helps people obtain the skills necessary to
become good designers and teachers. The net result of this lack has been a
paucity of good teachers and designers around the world. The permaculture
program mentioned by Robin Francis in this string is the best and only one
that I know of that provides pc students with a good solid program. It is
carried on with the rigor of an academic program within the higher education
system of Australia. Perhaps you could give a brief description of this
program Robin??

Scott Pittman
Director
Permaculture Institute
www.permaculture.org
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----Original Message-----
From: Jim [mailto:ashevillecurrencyproject@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:12 AM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org; scott@permaculture.org
Subject: Re: [permaculture] "certified permaculture designers"/ who
certifies?

Scott-
You said:
"There are 9 or 10
occupation categories of diplomas which are issued when the applicant has
presented examples of his/her work and displays competence in the field."

Who issues these? How might a reader of this list go about attempting to
acquire
this diploma? Is there a website on this process?

Thanks,
-- Jim

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