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  • From: "Harold Waldock" <hwaldock@yahoo.ca>
  • To: "Permaculture@Lists. Ibiblio. Org" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: [permaculture] Re: Inside Zone Zero essays online
  • Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:14:55 -0700




Behalf Of mIEKAL aND,

Perhaps a more careful inspection of Permaculture Design writings would lead
you to a more authentic understanding of what has been written.

Bill Mollison in the Permaculture: A Designer's Manual lists "Zone 0 (the
house or the village)" on page 49.

Please try to be aware of what you write and its consequences. Below I set
out in simple if rather terse terms the likely consequences of what you
wrote:

Your suggestion that Permaculture zone zero is defined by eco-feminist pagan
spirituality is an attempt to:

a) confuse people about what Permaculture design is and is not
b) convert members of this list to eco-feminist pagan spirituality religion
c) falsify's the writings of Permaculturalists by saying Zone 0 is never
defined
d) be off topic for this list by propagandizing for a religion
e) confirm in Bill Mollison's mind that California and West Coast N.A.
Permaculture Designers and teachers have gone "Woo - woo" in Bill's own
words. What he means is that designers appear to abandon the scientific,
rational and practical focus that Permaculture design offers while taking up
a mystical religious tradition in its place while still calling it
Permaculture.
f) alienate list members of other religions from Permaculture design
g) set priorities with inappropriate weights. - Bill Mollison said in the
Global Gardener Video that Permaculture in the cool temperate zone is 50%
about housing. He then walks into David Holgren's energy efficient house.

However, religious practice and religious teachings of many religions do
have valuable things to say to the Permaculture Design movement, as it does
to politics or law despite the current in vogue twisted 'separation of
church and state' arguments and can make for most valuable discussion and
practical improvements when set in proper context.

If you could re-phrase your writings to make a specific proposal for
Permaculture Designer's to accept in terse or plain terms such as how to
design for clients of your religion or how it can help inform design for all
people no matter what religion then we can begin a fruitful discussion with
out obscuring the truth.


Harold Waldock
haroldw@alternatives.com
alternate: hwaldock@yahoo.ca


-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
Sent: May 13, 2004 9:16 PM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [permaculture] Inside Zone Zero essays online


Taking Off from Zone Zero
by Elizabeth Was:
In permaculture, one maps out one's land in terms of
Zones, designing it according to distance, usage of
the plants, tending requirements, etc. You'd plant
your culinary herbs in Zone 1, for example, just
outside the door or even on the windowsill. The
vegetable garden might be in Zone 2, animals in Zone
3, nurseries or orchards in Zone 4 , & Zone 5 would be
the woods. You won't find Zone 0 in many permaculture
books, but I understand it as the self, located
somewhere in or near the body, & it is the Zone that
most concerns me personally...
http://www.dreamtimevillage.org/articles/taking_off_zone_zero.html

Inside Zone Zero
by Elizabeth Was
In Her Guy Dance with the Quantum Egg:
Sickness, Synchrons, & the Dark:
Red, yellow, purple, blue. Sweet summer flower colors.
Yeah, well these are the colors of my skin as the
birds chirp outside our bedroom window. That's a plant
of a different color, isn't it? I'll call it poison
ivy: That's the plant I unwittingly chose two weeks
ago as my current teacher. Like a zen master she sits
comfortably back there on that hill, smiling at me as
I wriggle & burn up from the inside out with a fever &
a fervor to match any lusty young lover half my age...
http://www.dreamtimevillage.org/articles/inside_zone_zero.html


Inside Zone Zero
- a continuing column by elizabeth was
CONCERNING
a permaculture of the self
Part III. EXO - INDO: The Healing Chameleon:
An old turtle makes her way slowly forward, between
the railroad tracks, each step, solid as armor. "My
feet touch the warm brown earth." She has just woken
from a dream about exposure - blind naked shell-less
fleshy vulnerability - a place she knows she has to
visit, again and again...
http://www.dreamtimevillage.org/articles/zone_zero.html

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