I cringe at trying to start a constructive dialog about this topic...
However, at the same time I think it could be very useful.
I wonder what south Florida beekeepers are doing about their
hives and spraying. Some of the largest fields I have ever seen are
just outside of Miami in the Everglades. There are thousands of acres
of farms and each has pallets of maybe 8 bee hives each around them. I
assume they are spraying the heck out of south Florida right now. There
are gazillions of bees there!
The only time I have seen more bees was on the road in the edge of
California when I saw two truckloads of 442 hives each that were being
moved from the Dakotas to California (talked to the truck drivers for a
bit). They had 78 truckloads to move!
mike
September
1, 2016 at 5:04 PM
September
1, 2016 at 4:34 PM
So you agree with Randall
then that better communication is needed. If the local government had
provided timely notice to the registered beekeepers this situation might
have been avoided. That is assuming this was actually a result of the
mosquito spraying. According to the Washington Post article, the local
Beekeepers have decided this is the case without waiting for the results
from the experts investigating the bee kill.
Nowhere
in the article does it state that "there ENTIRE bee farm and their source of
income! " was destroyed. Randall never said anything about "number of
hives not being a big deal".
Finally, I must say that I find your personal attacks against
other members of the local beekeeping community to be very offensive.
You are free to post any information you like to support or refute the
posts of others, but these outrageous personal statements you make are
completely unacceptable.
______
Walter
You never
can tell with bees. ~ Winnie-the-Pooh
September
1, 2016 at 4:01 PM
No...it is. A SC rep is
doing testing & there is a link to the bee farms fb page.
A video
recorded & played there has the wife saying in an interview they are
on a bee site list!
Very clear. M
Sent
from my iPhone
September
1, 2016 at 3:55 PM
Marty, you have a very
vivid imagination. Most of what you quote as fact isn't actually in the
Washington Post article or Randall's email. ______
Walter
You never
can tell with bees. ~ Winnie-the-Pooh Anne do not bother listening to Randall!
He's off
his meds again or taking hits off his formic acid treatments!
If he'd
have bothered to actually READ the article instead jumping to his pro
human & pro big ag responses he'd of noticed they DID have an expert
out there the very next morning. OR if he'd taken the tome to research
or look of FB the Bee Co they WERE on a registered list. And as a bee
farm i am sure would completely
disagree with his "low value" arm chair assessment of number of hives
not being a big deal....as its there ENTIRE bee farm and their source of
income!
But the final straw is in his own arrogant
words: "That's a
sure sign of an ignorant journalist trying to whip up the emotions of
an equally ignorant readership."
Im sorry you...like
myself and so many other ocba participants have to feel this way. I do
NOT think you are Ignorant...as he just implied!!
You can read &
share anything you like. By the sanctioning body that is the NCBA these
county groups are "public forums". You should not feel belittled or
insulted by a "bee leader" in the ocba, nor have to tolerate this type
of repeated behavior of being talked down to.
But im sure...others
will rush in to say im wrong...or that you should not have
posted....anything, but a bee inspector or fellow ocba admin coming out
& calling him on it for yet again a heavy handed belittling &
insulting attack by someone just wanting to share the truth about what
is happening.
Keep on posting all the bee articles &
episodes you can find. Just last week a maryland neighborhood had to
seek shelter from town trucks spraying even though NO - as in ZERO cases
of zika from that area were reported! Just travelers. Also in florida.
The zika
over reaction spraying & increased mites due to warm winters BETTER
be on all inspectors minds if we are going to have a chance as keepers
to keep our girls alive.
If anyone thinks im over reacting just google
northern china pollinating!! Over zealous ag officials & townships
there sprayed so much farmers now have to hand pollinate!
Marty
If the only choice was between
1) killing Zika-infested mosquitoes to prevent having a child or
grandchild being born dead or with extremely devastating birth
defects and 2) causing a few hobbyists to lose a few dollars for
one season (which the government may compensate for, if pressed),
I would choose #1 every single time.
But -- it doesn't have to be a either/or choice. Effective
communication is the key, and it sounds like that failed in this
particular SC town. If you haven't already registered your hives
with the State, see the article < here>
to learn how to do it. If your community is discussing mosquito
eradication plans, make them aware of the BeeCheck site (see
article) and that they should respect their constituents by making
timely notifications. Also encourage them to consult the NC
DA&CS Pesticide Division (Pat Jones) and the Apiary Inspection
Service (Don Hopkins) for advice about timing of application,
effective control strategies, etc.
In addition to effective communication, proper knowledge
is critical. That's why consulting with people who actually
understand the problem is vital. For example, my limited
understanding of Zika-bearing mosquitoes is that unlike our
stereotypical mosquitoes, these ( Aedes aegypti and Aedes
albopictus) are most active in during the day, not at
dawn/dusk like the ones that the SC town targeted. Don't ask me
how to safely control these -- I have no idea, other than what I
have read on the CDC
website -- but there are experts who do know.
What we should aim for is no Zika-infested mosquitoes (and thus no
dead babies) AND healthy bees, not one or the other.
On a completely different note -- I almost didn't look at this
article because of the bit about "millions of bees dead" in the
title. That's a sure sign of an ignorant journalist trying to whip
up the emotions of an equally ignorant readership. As those who
attended the recent OCBA presentation on "Bees as a Superorganism"
already know, "bees" are irrelevant by themselves -- it is
"colonies" that matter. The article reaches the number "2.5
million dead bees" by multiplying 46 hives (not very many at all,
in the big picture) by 50,000 bees and rounding up. 50,000 is just
about the biologically maximum possible number of bees in a colony
(see article on bee math < here>),
certainly not a relevant multiplier for August. When we speak with
reporters, let's try to steer them away from this type of
nonsensical rhetoric.
Randall Austin
On 9/1/2016 7:57 AM, Anne Cabell wrote:
882082F7-24A8-4966-8B43-25EBA7FE1790 AT gmail.com">
Sad article
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September
1, 2016 at 3:31 PM
Anne do not bother
listening to Randall!
He's off his meds again or taking hits off his
formic acid treatments!
If he'd have bothered to actually READ the
article instead jumping to his pro human & pro big ag responses he'd
of noticed they DID have an expert out there the very next morning. OR
if he'd taken the tome to research or look of FB the Bee Co they WERE on
a registered list. And as a bee farm i
am sure would completely disagree with his "low value" arm chair
assessment of number of hives not being a big deal....as its there
ENTIRE bee farm and their source of income!
But the
final straw is in his own arrogant words: "That's a sure sign of
an ignorant journalist trying to whip up the emotions of an equally
ignorant readership."
Im sorry you...like myself and so many other ocba participants
have to feel this way. I do NOT think you are Ignorant...as he just
implied!!
You can read & share anything you like. By the sanctioning
body that is the NCBA these county groups are "public forums". You
should not feel belittled or insulted by a "bee leader" in the ocba, nor
have to tolerate this type of repeated behavior of being talked down
to.
But im sure...others will rush in to say im wrong...or that
you should not have posted....anything, but a bee inspector or fellow
ocba admin coming out & calling him on it for yet again a heavy
handed belittling & insulting attack by someone just wanting to
share the truth about what is happening.
Keep on posting
all the bee articles & episodes you can find. Just last week a
maryland neighborhood had to seek shelter from town trucks spraying even
though NO - as in ZERO cases of zika from that area were reported! Just
travelers. Also in florida.
The zika over reaction spraying & increased
mites due to warm winters BETTER be on all inspectors minds if we are
going to have a chance as keepers to keep our girls alive.
If anyone
thinks im over reacting just google northern china pollinating!! Over
zealous ag officials & townships there sprayed so much farmers now
have to hand pollinate!
Marty
If the only choice was between
1) killing Zika-infested mosquitoes to prevent having a child or
grandchild being born dead or with extremely devastating birth
defects and 2) causing a few hobbyists to lose a few dollars for
one season (which the government may compensate for, if pressed),
I would choose #1 every single time.
But -- it doesn't have to be a either/or choice. Effective
communication is the key, and it sounds like that failed in this
particular SC town. If you haven't already registered your hives
with the State, see the article < here>
to learn how to do it. If your community is discussing mosquito
eradication plans, make them aware of the BeeCheck site (see
article) and that they should respect their constituents by making
timely notifications. Also encourage them to consult the NC
DA&CS Pesticide Division (Pat Jones) and the Apiary Inspection
Service (Don Hopkins) for advice about timing of application,
effective control strategies, etc.
In addition to effective communication, proper knowledge
is critical. That's why consulting with people who actually
understand the problem is vital. For example, my limited
understanding of Zika-bearing mosquitoes is that unlike our
stereotypical mosquitoes, these ( Aedes aegypti and Aedes
albopictus) are most active in during the day, not at
dawn/dusk like the ones that the SC town targeted. Don't ask me
how to safely control these -- I have no idea, other than what I
have read on the CDC
website -- but there are experts who do know.
What we should aim for is no Zika-infested mosquitoes (and thus no
dead babies) AND healthy bees, not one or the other.
On a completely different note -- I almost didn't look at this
article because of the bit about "millions of bees dead" in the
title. That's a sure sign of an ignorant journalist trying to whip
up the emotions of an equally ignorant readership. As those who
attended the recent OCBA presentation on "Bees as a Superorganism"
already know, "bees" are irrelevant by themselves -- it is
"colonies" that matter. The article reaches the number "2.5
million dead bees" by multiplying 46 hives (not very many at all,
in the big picture) by 50,000 bees and rounding up. 50,000 is just
about the biologically maximum possible number of bees in a colony
(see article on bee math < here>),
certainly not a relevant multiplier for August. When we speak with
reporters, let's try to steer them away from this type of
nonsensical rhetoric.
Randall Austin
On 9/1/2016 7:57 AM, Anne Cabell wrote:
882082F7-24A8-4966-8B43-25EBA7FE1790 AT gmail.com">
Sad article
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September
1, 2016 at 1:13 PM
If the only choice was between
1) killing Zika-infested mosquitoes to prevent having a child or
grandchild being born dead or with extremely devastating birth
defects and 2) causing a few hobbyists to lose a few dollars for
one season (which the government may compensate for, if pressed),
I would choose #1 every single time.
But -- it doesn't have to be a either/or choice. Effective
communication is the key, and it sounds like that failed in this
particular SC town. If you haven't already registered your hives
with the State, see the article < here>
to learn how to do it. If your community is discussing mosquito
eradication plans, make them aware of the BeeCheck site (see
article) and that they should respect their constituents by making
timely notifications. Also encourage them to consult the NC
DA&CS Pesticide Division (Pat Jones) and the Apiary Inspection
Service (Don Hopkins) for advice about timing of application,
effective control strategies, etc.
In addition to effective communication, proper knowledge
is critical. That's why consulting with people who actually
understand the problem is vital. For example, my limited
understanding of Zika-bearing mosquitoes is that unlike our
stereotypical mosquitoes, these ( Aedes aegypti and Aedes
albopictus) are most active in during the day, not at
dawn/dusk like the ones that the SC town targeted. Don't ask me
how to safely control these -- I have no idea, other than what I
have read on the CDC
website -- but there are experts who do know.
What we should aim for is no Zika-infested mosquitoes (and thus no
dead babies) AND healthy bees, not one or the other.
On a completely different note -- I almost didn't look at this
article because of the bit about "millions of bees dead" in the
title. That's a sure sign of an ignorant journalist trying to whip
up the emotions of an equally ignorant readership. As those who
attended the recent OCBA presentation on "Bees as a Superorganism"
already know, "bees" are irrelevant by themselves -- it is
"colonies" that matter. The article reaches the number "2.5
million dead bees" by multiplying 46 hives (not very many at all,
in the big picture) by 50,000 bees and rounding up. 50,000 is just
about the biologically maximum possible number of bees in a colony
(see article on bee math < here>),
certainly not a relevant multiplier for August. When we speak with
reporters, let's try to steer them away from this type of
nonsensical rhetoric.
Randall Austin
On 9/1/2016 7:57 AM, Anne Cabell wrote:
September
1, 2016 at 7:57 AM
|