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  • From: <rjarnts AT att.net>
  • To: "'David'" <david.a.oakley AT gmail.com>, "'Michael Malecek'" <malimal1778 AT aol.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [ocba] Hive Full of Drones
  • Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 08:21:58 -0400

Interesting post.  So if there is no queen and some workers begin laying, why do they make queen cells, if it is impossible to make a queen? Are those just feeble attempts to replicate the work of a “normal” colony?  When there are multiple eggs laid in a cell, do all develop into bees or just one of the eggs?  Jeanne

 

From: ocba [mailto:ocba-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 7:05 AM
To: Michael Malecek
Cc: ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [ocba] Hive Full of Drones

 

Michael,

 

I think you have a queenless hive and now a worker is laying unfertilized eggs hence all the drones and now worker bee's.  

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On Apr 29, 2016, at 16:13, Michael Malecek <malimal1778 AT aol.com> wrote:

Last spring I moved a neglected hive from a beekeeper's property to a community garden. This beekeeper kept bees for a year or two, the hive died, and it was left outside through the winter and spring. In the spring of last year a swarm moved in and decided to build comb perpendicular to the frames. This means the bottom two medium supers are difficult to inspect since I can't remove the frames without destroying the comb. After moving this hive to the community garden it did well all of last year and survived through the winter. In terms of bee population, it is probably my strongest hive, currently.

 

I went in the hive yesterday and encountered something I haven't seen in my 7 years of beekeeping. This is an 8-frame hive with four medium supers (the bottom two with the perpendicular comb, the top two supers with normal frames). As I inspected the supers and went deeper into the hive I saw more and more drones. It looked like a lot at the top super, but they seemed to be pouring out of the frames of the bottom two supers when I smoked them. In the bottom supers it looked like drones made up almost half the population. Granted it was midday and many of the workers were out.

 

I looked at the bottoms of the frames in the bottom two supers and did notice 3-5 queen cells. A few looked like an unfinished version of the "peanut", but the rest either looked like something emerged or that it was aborted. The openings had that chewed up wax appearance. It was too difficult for me to look for supercedure cells since I couldn't remove the frames. I couldn't see brood or eggs in the hive, but also couldn't inspect the bottom two supers very well because of the perpendicular comb.

 

My question is what to do next and how did the hive get so many drones? Since I saw open queen cells, do I let the situation play out and see if a new queen starts laying in the next couple of weeks. Or is my hive without a queen, meaning I should re-queen it quickly? Or is it too late, I have too many laying workers that won't accept a new queen? The hive has a lot of activity at the entrance, has been storing a lot of nectar/honey, and seems to be strong, so I'd like to keep them going.

 

- Mike M.




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