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- From: Randall Austin <ra41717 AT gmail.com>
- To: Phil DeGuzman <phil.deguzman AT gmail.com>
- Cc: John Rintoul <beecd AT icloud.com>, Orange County Beekeepers Association <ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?
- Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 14:44:02 -0400
Phil,
A thousand apologies, I must have missed the mark. You certainly didn't offend me. If you'll notice, the remark I responded to was John's, not yours. And John didn't offend me either. I agree that the fungus article is interesting, although I am highly skeptical that it will come to fruition. Many hurdles exist with new treatments; a mite-killing substance is just a small part of it. A practical delivery mechanism is critical, and is what stumps many great ideas in this arena. I agree 100% with your overall sentiment, and I agree 100% that good IPM principles imply that we need a variety of EFFECTIVE treatments. Rotating treatments is good practice. My comment was that we don't need to hope that one day we will have a "natural" treatment, as the tenor of the article implied, because we already have "natural" treatments. I certainly welcome new treatments if they are better than existing treatments. I hope you agree that not treating with existing, effective treatments today because we are waiting for even better treatments tomorrow (with no guarantee that they are better, just different) would be an odd thing to do. I seriously doubt that the thymol treatment, if properly applied, was the proximate cause of your losses. I would suggest from your description of your colony management that perhaps you were applying treatment in a reactionary, "hail Mary" mode rather than getting ahead of varroa and controlling it. If that was the case, I would expect colony failure after 3 or 4 years (actually a lot sooner) whether you had applied thymol or not. Thymol doesn't get rid of the viruses that kill colonies, just the bugs that vector the viruses. Giving folks in the cancer ward a flu shot is too little, too late. And hopefully I don't offend with that comment; I'm just trying to educate folks on the list about the realities of varroa infestation. Ignoring them doesn't make them go away. Randall On 3/21/2016 2:06 PM, Phil DeGuzman wrote:
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[ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
Phil DeGuzman, 03/21/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
John Rintoul, 03/21/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
Randall Austin, 03/21/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
Phil DeGuzman, 03/21/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
Randall Austin, 03/21/2016
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[ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
John Rintoul, 03/21/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
Elizabeth Pratson, 03/22/2016
- Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?, David Eckert, 03/22/2016
- [ocba] Reuse of old combs, Randall Austin, 03/22/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
Elizabeth Pratson, 03/22/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
Phil DeGuzman, 03/22/2016
- Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?, Brad Kosiba, 03/22/2016
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[ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
John Rintoul, 03/21/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
Randall Austin, 03/21/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
Phil DeGuzman, 03/21/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
Randall Austin, 03/21/2016
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Re: [ocba] Fungi to save bees?,
John Rintoul, 03/21/2016
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