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> 1. Re: cultivars of some lesser used species? (Hector Black)
> 2. Re: cultivars of some lesser used species? (Barry Nichols)
> 3. Re: cultivars of some lesser used species? (Matt Demmon)
> 4. Grafting Cornus mas (Steven C)
> 5. Re: Grafting Cornus mas (Little John)
> 6. Abundance + Bruce plums (northeast). (Steven C)
> 7. Varieties of Cornelian-cherry (Steven C)
> 8. Re: Varieties of Cornelian-cherry (Little John)
> 9. Re: cultivars of some lesser used species? (Ginda Fisher)
> 10. Mass-plantings of lavender (Lavendula) to deter deer from
> orchard/garden/plantings? (Steven C)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:06:07 -0500
> From: Hector Black <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] cultivars of some lesser used species?
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> I think that Amelanchier is the cultivar "Regent" from up north. It's done
> well here, but the birds love 'em too. You could email them and ask.
> Hector
>
> On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Hector Black wrote:
>
>> Hello Barry,
>> Hidden Springs Nursery (Online) has cultivars of Amelanchier and
>> aronia. I could well be wrong, but thought most available black raspberry
>> cultivars were selections from the wild.
>> Glad to know you're working on this.
>> Hector (Black) zone 6 middle tenn.
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Barry Nichols wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy folks. This is Barry Nichols (persimmonpudding.com) from work. So
>>> here's the deal. I have a test plot we're trying to make with native
>>> species. There are multiple objectives but that is the hinge. Within
>>> the natives, we're going to try to use cultivars in order to satisfy
>>> additional objectives. To that end, I'm having a bit of a problem
>>> locating selected or improved plants. I am NOT looking for hybrids
>>> between species. Below are the plants from which I'm having problems
>>> sourcing cultivars:
>>>
>>> Amelanchier laevis Allegheny serviceberry
>>>
>>> Corylus americana hazelnut
>>>
>>> Rubus occidentalis black raspberry
>>>
>>> Rubus allegheniensis common blackberry
>>>
>>> Aronia melanocarpa black chokeberry - do have one sourced but would
>>> like 1 or 2 more)
>>>
>>> Vaccinium pallidum lowbush blueberry
>>>
>>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Barry Nichols
>>> Senior Biologist
>>> Eco-Tech Consultants
>>> 11321 Decimal Drive
>>> Louisville, KY 40299
>>>
>>> 502.259.0470 office
>>> 502.259.0473 fax
>>> 502.468.4539 mobile
>>>
>>> bnichols@ecotechinc.com<mailto:bnichols@ecotechinc.com>
>>> http://www.ecotechinc.com/
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> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:09:05 +0000
> From: Barry Nichols <bnichols@ecotechinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] cultivars of some lesser used species?
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> I appreciate it, but the team has been pretty adamant that they are looking
> for P. americana for this site. Since it is so widespread, I figured there
> have to be a number of straight selections out there.
>
> ---
> Barry Nichols
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Hector Black
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:00 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] cultivars of some lesser used species?
> Importance: High
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> I have a selection of P munsoniana called "Wild Goose Plum". Still
> (barely) time to gather scion wood if you wish. Hector
>
> On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Hector Black wrote:
>
>> Hello Barry,
>> Hidden Springs Nursery (Online) has cultivars of Amelanchier and
>> aronia. I could well be wrong, but thought most available black raspberry
>> cultivars were selections from the wild.
>> Glad to know you're working on this.
>> Hector (Black) zone 6 middle tenn.
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Barry Nichols wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy folks. This is Barry Nichols (persimmonpudding.com) from work. So
>>> here's the deal. I have a test plot we're trying to make with native
>>> species. There are multiple objectives but that is the hinge. Within
>>> the natives, we're going to try to use cultivars in order to satisfy
>>> additional objectives. To that end, I'm having a bit of a problem
>>> locating selected or improved plants. I am NOT looking for hybrids
>>> between species. Below are the plants from which I'm having problems
>>> sourcing cultivars:
>
>>>
>>> Amelanchier laevis Allegheny serviceberry
>>>
>>> Corylus americana hazelnut
>>>
>>> Rubus occidentalis black raspberry
>>>
>>> Rubus allegheniensis common blackberry
>>>
>>> Aronia melanocarpa black chokeberry - do have one sourced but would
>>> like 1 or 2 more)
>>>
>>> Vaccinium pallidum lowbush blueberry
>>>
>>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Barry Nichols
>>> Senior Biologist
>>> Eco-Tech Consultants
>>> 11321 Decimal Drive
>>> Louisville, KY 40299
>>>
>>> 502.259.0470 office
>>> 502.259.0473 fax
>>> 502.468.4539 mobile
>>>
>>> bnichols@ecotechinc.com<mailto:bnichols@ecotechinc.com>
>>> http://www.ecotechinc.com/
>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:51:55 -0400
> From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] cultivars of some lesser used species?
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> I'm sure each of these species could be an essay in itself, but I'll just
> add a few comments about my direct knowledge.
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Barry Nichols
> <bnichols@ecotechinc.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Amelanchier laevis Allegheny serviceberry
>>
>
> I'm not aware of any cultivars of this straight species, most of the
> cultivars selected for fruit or ornamental characteristics seem to be other
> species. And it's pretty hard to tell the species apart. Lots of blurry
> lines.
>
>>
>> Corylus americana hazelnut
>>
>
> I believe Oikos has selected varieties that are pure C. americana. Seems
> like most of cultivars selected for nuts are hybrids.
>
>>
>> Rubus occidentalis black raspberry
>>
>> This one should be easy, many cultivars selected without hybridization.
> Try any berry supplier, Indiana Berry is my favorite.
>
>
>> Rubus allegheniensis common blackberry
>>
>> Not aware of any cultivars here.
>
>
>> Aronia melanocarpa black chokeberry - do have one sourced but would
>> like 1 or 2 more)
>>
>> Seems like Nero and Viking are the only ones usually offered, I think One
> Green World is the only place I've seen that offers more than one cultivar.
>
>
>> Vaccinium pallidum lowbush blueberry
>>
>> I believe Oikos may have a selection of this.
>
> Prunus americana - Again, I think the huge majority of cultivars are
> selected from american/japanese crosses, and any cultivars are probably no
> longer available. Oikos may have a selection of the straight species.
>
> Oikos Tree Crops, if you are unfamiliar with them, doesn't offer any clonal
> 'cultivar' material, but they do select their seed strains for fruiting and
> hardiness characteristics. They have many more straight species than most
> fruit nurseries.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -matt
> z5 se MI
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:04:53 -0400
> From: Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Grafting Cornus mas
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Hi,
>
> I have dormant scions of Cornus mas - two rootstocks awake in pots in doors
> and one planted rootstock about to open its buds (34 F lows). Any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve NJ
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:21:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Little John <moonwise_herbs@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Grafting Cornus mas
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> Hello,
>
> I too plan on grafting a few varieties of C.mas real soon. I had mixed
> success last year grafting them. My best results were; using the freshest
> scions, thinner scions that were not heavily lignified and grafting when
> the rootstock had leaves the size of a squirrel's ear. A cleft graft was my
> best graft. Hope thats helpful.
>
> -Little John
>
>
> "If we do not initiate the boys, they will burn the village down" -African
> Proverb
>
> --- On Thu, 3/14/13, Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Grafting Cornus mas
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 12:04 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> I have dormant scions of Cornus mas - two rootstocks awake in pots in doors
> and one planted rootstock about to open its buds (34 F lows).? Any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve NJ
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:23:25 -0400
> From: Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Abundance + Bruce plums (northeast).
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> What are the special benefits of cultivating 'Abundance' and 'Bruce' plums
> in the northeast?
>
> And is 'President' an especially good addition to a planting of 'NY-9'
> ('Kenmore') and 'Imperial Epineuse'?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve, NJ
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:26:56 -0400
> From: Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Varieties of Cornelian-cherry
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Hi,
>
> What are the "best" varieties of Cornelian-cherry dogwood (Cornus mas)?
>
> I have Yellow(TM) - it's very good. I hear that Pioneer is the best
> flavored but not a reliable cropper. I regret missing out on the
> opportunity to buy 'Black Plum' - Lee Reich praises this variety. I see
> 'Red Dawn' and 'Sunrise' are newer Ukrainian ones available at a certain
> nursery..
>
> Thanks,
> Steve (NJ)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:10:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Little John <moonwise_herbs@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Varieties of Cornelian-cherry
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> Steve,
>
> Last year one of the varieties that I had a failure on was "Black Plum".
> John Gordon sent me some scions before he died but they were really thick &
> woody and not good for grafting. Maybe some other time I'll come across
> some scions of that variety.
>
> As for the best tasting variety of C.mas I hear that its a variety called
> "Abanos" or "Eppler's Black". Alexander Eppler in Seattle has a collection
> of about 20 varieties and he says thats his best. I got some wood from him
> this year so we'll see how it stacks up in a few years.
>
> If you want to dream about C.mas here's a good site....
> http://cornusmas.eu/pages/strona-glowna/oferta/deren-jadalny-cornus-mas
>
> Happy Grafting,
> Little John
>
>
> "If we do not initiate the boys, they will burn the village down" -African
> Proverb
>
> --- On Thu, 3/14/13, Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Varieties of Cornelian-cherry
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 8:26 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> What are the "best" varieties of Cornelian-cherry dogwood (Corn




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