Skip to Content.
Sympa Menu

nafex - Re: [NAFEX] red fleshed apples

nafex@lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio

List archive

Chronological Thread  
  • From: "Martha L. Davis" <martha_davis@earthlink.net>
  • To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org, nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] red fleshed apples
  • Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:59:22 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

Hi Bob,
I've seen the Greenmantle site it's good, though hard for me to assess how
any of their varieties would do here. The climate seems pretty different and
the red fleshed ones are reputed to be climate specific. Greenmantle looks
on the map like it would be cool, but sounds from the web site like it is
hot. I've seen the Hocking Hills site as well which is also good. The Maple
Valley orchard site has a few descriptions that I hadn't seen any where else.
I've seen a lot of info saying that Arlie's Red Flesh and Hidden Rose are
the same or possible the same. It's really interesting to hear from someone
who is growing both and says that they are clearly different. There are a
number pink and Red fleshed varieties mentioned in the book Cornucopia II
though the focus tends to be the California ones. There are a few I've never
heard of anywhere else Purple Passion for instance.

I like a sweet tart apple often. Currently I am thinking of trying Bills Red
Fleshed, I have Hidden Rose though it has yet to fruit, and perhaps Redford
or Redfield for baking. I'd be tempted by Pink Pearl except for the scab and
the mixed experience I've had tasting it.

Hi Martha,

I have had some interest in the "red fleshed" apples although most of them
seem pretty tart to me. If you haven't seen Greenmantle's website on their
Rosetta collection you might want to take a look,
http://www.greenmantlenursery.com/fruit/rosetta-apples.htm. I have the
Arlie's Red Flesh, Hidden Rose, Pink Pearl, Mott's Pink, and at one time I
had Alamata but it never grew right for me. I also have the Rubiyat which
hasn't fruited yet. Besides being too tart for me they tend to be scab
susceptible. Here in western Washington we need varieties that are resistant
to scab. They do make beautiful applesauce too. Pink Pearl is the best one
of the bunch that I have grown.

The Arlie's Red Flesh and the Hidden Rose that I have are entirely different.
The Arlie's Red Flesh is bright red like the picture of Niedzwetzkyana on
Greenmantle's site.

Bob
western Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: Martha L. Davis
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: [NAFEX] Red Fleshed apples

I have gotten more interested in red fleshed apples and it has been a few
years since I have seen much discussion on them maybe it is is time for
another go round.

Many places say that the coloring is climate dependent. Ed said less color as
they go south. I assume that is temperature based rather than day-length
based. A lot of them seem to be fairly tart to sweet tart, some (many?) too
tart for fresh eating. Ed said that Pink Pearl and Hidden Rose were the ones
he had experience with that had detectable sugars. A description of the
Niedzwetzkyana Crab pie got my attention. Supposedly like cherry pie but
whether that was color or flavor or both I don't know. I have also heard it
is 3 inches in diameter too large to be called crab. I have also hear that
it is a good tannin source for cider.

I have been poking around in books and on the web. Here is something of a
variety list which I don't have much experience with. I have tasted Pink
Pearl twice. Once as grown in California it was OK another time when grown
in Indiana it thought it was bitter. I tried Grenadine at the California
tasting a few years ago and that was good but not outstanding. Not something
I would think about without the color. Based on what I have dug up some are
very hardy zone 3 some zone 6 some who knows. A fair number appear to bloom
early &/or get scab.

Has anyone experience with any of these? I am especially interested in
Hardiness many of the California ones list zone 6. I'd like zone 4. I m also
especially interested in which ones are worth eating fresh or really good for
cooking as opposed to, I might as well make sauce because what else can I do
with it.

Alamata, Burford Red Flesh, Bill's red flesh(aka Scarlet Surprise) Hidden
Rose (AKA Aerlie Red Flesh), Firecracker, Geneva crab, Giant Russian may be
the same as Russian Giant Crab, Grenadine, Niedzwetzkyana, Pink Pearmain(AKA
Pink Sparkle), Pink Pairfait, Mott's Pink, Pink Parfait (Motts), (I'm not
sure if these three are the same), Pink Princess (same as Jansen's Pink Lady
not same as Cripp's Pink Pink Lady), Pink Old Lady, Purple Passion, Raven,
Red Field, Thornberry, Rubiyat, Winter Red fleshed. I haven't included many
of the ones that seem to be pale pink or pink stained.

Martha

Zone 4 high elevation New Mexico Cool summers with a short season
-----Original Message-----
>From: nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org
>Sent: Jan 5, 2008 6:49 PM
>To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: nafex Digest, Vol 60, Issue 10
>
>Send nafex mailing list submissions to
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>
>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org
>
>You can reach the person managing the list at
> nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org
>
>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..."





Archive powered by MHonArc 2.6.24.

Top of Page