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  • From: Louisa Rogoff Thompson <louisathompson@erols.com>
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  • Subject: [NAFEX] native grasses and cover crops
  • Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 10:27:37 -0400

Does anyone have any experience with or information about using native grasses or legumes in orchards?
Louisa Thompson
(southcentral PA)

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Today's Topics:

1. RE: Cicadas, eating thereof (Ed Fackler)
2. Re: Cicadas, eating thereof (Bill Russell)
3. groundcovers (David Doud)
4. Re: St. Augustine grass (Richard O'Barr)
5. Re: Cicadas, eating thereof (rob hamilton)
6. book: Pruning and Training Fruit Trees (Teghtmeyer, Suzanne R)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:04:29 -0400
From: "Ed Fackler" <efackler@woh.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
To: "longdistshtr" <longdistshtr@shtc.net>, "North American Fruit
Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Doc:

Jerry's life-long diet of cicadas and turnip juice is the reason why he
so intelligent.................

Ed, So. Ohio, rains makin' dandelions bloom every 10 mins.

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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:20 AM
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Subject: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof


As Jerry Lehman mentioned in his American Persimmon Interest Group Article
(Pomona, Spring '04) some Native American diet items have gone unappreciated
over the years. However uninformed this information may seem, there is an
element of fact in it.
Being that this is a target year for the emergence of tenerals from all
those grubs which have been gnawing our delicate feeder roots for almost two
decades, there is a chance for revenge and also to revive a favored fare of
this Land's former inhabitants.
They are surprisingly delicious and in some parts of the Country there will
be plenty of them to sample if you are so inclined. Try 'em. You'll
probably like 'em. The females are best. The listed site has several
recipes. I'd advise one to stay away from the saturated fat in the
chocolate covered ones. Leave a few to serenade me with their "July Fly
Overture" on a hot summer afternoon while I sip my Mint Julep.

http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/pdf/cicada%20recipes.PDF

Doc Lisenby
Zone 7/8 (SC-whar we don't know nothin' 'bout no 'simmon puddin' but the
'possums are good 'n fat)



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:14:57 -0700
From: "Bill Russell" <shaman@pennswoods.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
To: "longdistshtr" <longdistshtr@shtc.net>, "North American Fruit
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Check this out:

http://www.chiprowe.com/magrev/insects.html

Bill


----- Original Message ----- From: "longdistshtr" <longdistshtr@shtc.net>
To: "NAFEX" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:20 AM
Subject: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof



As Jerry Lehman mentioned in his American Persimmon Interest Group Article
(Pomona, Spring '04) some Native American diet items have gone

unappreciated

over the years. However uninformed this information may seem, there is an
element of fact in it.
Being that this is a target year for the emergence of tenerals from all
those grubs which have been gnawing our delicate feeder roots for almost

two

decades, there is a chance for revenge and also to revive a favored fare

of

this Land's former inhabitants.
They are surprisingly delicious and in some parts of the Country there

will

be plenty of them to sample if you are so inclined. Try 'em. You'll
probably like 'em. The females are best. The listed site has several
recipes. I'd advise one to stay away from the saturated fat in the
chocolate covered ones. Leave a few to serenade me with their "July Fly
Overture" on a hot summer afternoon while I sip my Mint Julep.

http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/pdf/cicada%20recipes.PDF

Doc Lisenby
Zone 7/8 (SC-whar we don't know nothin' 'bout no 'simmon puddin' but the
'possums are good 'n fat)



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:30:07 -0500
From: "David Doud" <doudone@netusa1.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] groundcovers
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my 2 cents: - -Orchard grass; tough and coarse - as mentioned a 'clump grass', if left unmowed will get >12" tall and rabbits and mice love the areas between the clumps - - good if you are running equipment over it and mow regularly, but I consider it a high maintanance cover - clover; of various specie, tends to become a weed, tends to be tolerant of common herbicides, attractive to pollinators during the summer which may bring them into contact with whatever pest control sprays you may be using - Dutch white is low enough to not cause too much grief, but most species will be rather tall and tough and cause problems if you rotary mow - I used 'Companion', a proprietary mix of grasses, on several acres 14 years ago, and it's nice - and expensive - and certainly by now there is quite a mix of specie that have moved in, though the area is still rather civilized...
For somthing that is commonly availibe at an ag supply, creeping red fescue works well - if you desire a legume, birdsfoot trefoil is commonly availible and does not become a weed like clover - DOUD, zone 5z - - your results may vary....
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:22:21 -0500
From: "Richard O'Barr" <aatopgunaa@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] St. Augustine grass
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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There is a St. Ausustine lawn in B'Ham, AL that has been growing there for
about 50 years.
Topgun
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucky Pittman" <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:45 AM
Subject: [NAFEX] St. Augustine grass



At 04:36 PM 4/29/2004 -0500, RW Spalinger wrote:

I planted patches of St. Augustine grass in the orchard and as it grows,
it chokes out the Bermuda grass. I'm not sure that St. Augustine is the
best choice for ground cover, but it does not grow as tall as bermuda,

and

is much thicker and easier to mow. The roots are shallow and I find many
earthworms within the roots whenever I did up a patch to make room for a
new tree. To me it also is better looking than Bermuda weed.

St. Augustine is not very winter-hardy. I've never seen it survive

farther

'north' than the zone 7/8 interface.

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
To: longdistshtr <longdistshtr@shtc.net>, North American Fruit
Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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One of the links suggested that Japanise Beatles being
edible. Next month I will have enough to eat and put
up for storage. Anyone got a recipe for JB jam? :)

Actally, I dont think I could stand popping them in my
mouth (at least the adults), but I wish I could get
the birds interested in them.

Robert


--- longdistshtr <longdistshtr@shtc.net> wrote:

As Jerry Lehman mentioned in his American Persimmon
Interest Group Article
(Pomona, Spring '04) some Native American diet items
have gone unappreciated
over the years. However uninformed this information
may seem, there is an
element of fact in it.
Being that this is a target year for the emergence
of tenerals from all
those grubs which have been gnawing our delicate
feeder roots for almost two
decades, there is a chance for revenge and also to
revive a favored fare of
this Land's former inhabitants.
They are surprisingly delicious and in some parts of
the Country there will
be plenty of them to sample if you are so inclined. Try 'em. You'll
probably like 'em. The females are best. The listed
site has several
recipes. I'd advise one to stay away from the
saturated fat in the
chocolate covered ones. Leave a few to serenade me
with their "July Fly
Overture" on a hot summer afternoon while I sip my
Mint Julep.



http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/pdf/cicada%20recipes.PDF

Doc Lisenby
Zone 7/8 (SC-whar we don't know nothin' 'bout no
'simmon puddin' but the
'possums are good 'n fat)



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:29:49 -0500
From: "Teghtmeyer, Suzanne R" <srt175f@smsu.edu>
Subject: [NAFEX] book: Pruning and Training Fruit Trees
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Has anyone seen this book and be willing to comment on it?
A person can look at the table of contents and such at Amazon.com, but
I'm asking for personal accounts.

Pruning and Training Fruit Trees
by Warren Somerville (Author) Paperback: 144 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.50 x 10.00 x 7.00 Publisher: Butterworth-Heinemann; (May 16, 1997) ISBN: 0750689315

Thanks!!
----Suzi Teghtmeyer
Paul Evans Library of Fruit Science
Missouri State Fruit Experiment Station and Mid-America Viticulture and
Enology Center, Southwest Missouri State University, Mountain Grove Campus
Evans Library Homepage: http://library.smsu.edu/paulevans/
AgNIC Viticulture site:
http://library.smsu.edu/paulevans/viticulture1.shtml
Email: srt175f@smsu.edu

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