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  • From: Karen Nesbitt <spanishequines@yahoo.com>
  • To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [MSAR] MSAR-Riders Digest, Vol 86, Issue 3
  • Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 14:12:24 -0700 (PDT)

ADDING MORE>>>> to what I commented to about below and drawing specifically from the first search I did....If you would  have required to have a physical for every member of that search.. hmmmm... just how does one propose to set the standards for an entire  community of  hundreds if not thousands of  the volunteers that showed up.  There were hundreds if not thousands of volunteers on that search, only 8 were on horseback, myself included, but had there been any restriction particularly in the realm of any physicals or medicals required....hmmm you would probably have told several hundred folks not to be there.  YOU simply will not stop members of famnily, members of community or what ever facet from doing a what I woudl almost have to term a civic duty when a call goes out.  About the only people you will stop, if they show up  and go through the check out line would be a criminal when you check your ids at the door.  Only 4 were volunteer FD and I can be willing to bet a good half of the horsemen there might not of passed a rigerous physical.
So while many of us in this community are busy trying to update credentials, that is well and good, but if it was your kid, your parent your family, who you gonna stop?
 
Just saying because if it was one of my own, about the only ones I would want stopped at the door would be a criminal.
 
But then that just might be me.
 
Topping that what disturbed me most was the such few numbers of MSAR were present yet alone the few mounted  FD or mounted LE.  There was no mounted LE, only 4 FD and 4 mounted volunteers (actually we had five from the mounted, but ONE was horseless so he manned the base and radios to the rest of the group...) and this was a high profile case, all state call, to anyone who was able, willing and wanted to.  The call more
than likely reached other states through the media.  But that was the mounted group that cleared the line that day.  As I recall, the only thing done in line was they asked you if you were mounted, flying or pounding ground and if you were of driving age, they ran your number.  Then they gave you your area.
 
Temperatures that day were so hot they called the helicopters in because it was too hot to fly them and the mounteds and pounders searched in triple digit figures.   The horses were pulled in after over 2 hours of search.  Dont recall on the groundpounders.. the heat was gastly and they were not in our area. 
 
As a search goes on, the longer it goes, the more searchers could be required. So who you gonna bar when it comes to a community of volunteers on a physical?
 
My guess, no one other than a damn criminal unless you got one smart enough to slip through the cracks.
 
And, you did have others searching that were not cleared through the line, so to all those farmers and neighbors searching fields while they worked, I can bet no cop went to each door to stop search the thousands of volunteers that did not go through the line.
 
Just my humble opinion.
 
Karen

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   1. Fitness... (Karen Nesbitt)


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Subject: Re: [MSAR] Fitness Requirements for MSAR Unit Members
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Irv's comments interested me
Our unit has about 30 members,including ground staff.
95% are female.
7 of us are 55+[ we boast two grandma's].
probably another ten would be over 40.
The balance vary,the youngest being about 18.
Some of us have various issues with backs,knees etc.On the whole we are all
Quite fit as is the way with most horsey people.
HOWEVER if in depth medicals were required I do not doubt half of us would
flunk.I myself have a very bad knee and can not run to save myself, I also
have one or two? tummy problems.
my own problems in no way prevent me from riding or performing my duties
within our unit.

cheers

Linda L
SES mounted Section
Western Australia
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The shear irony of this conversation... we will allow an old deaf or?blind horse to be a search member and yet that old blind or deaf horse could have a heart attack too at any time....hence a?rider could go down too and at any time.
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...I agree with Irv in that you will lose a lot of members if imposed physical medical rules apply.? And you will lose a lot of important experience.
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How does one draw the line??? If medical conditions are known and a person is still able to perform does that make the performance safer?? The obvious answer would be yes.? BUt what does it do as far as risk?
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Health issues are one of the biggest factors why so many people are out of work.
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I myself have a bad knee and bad knees propose a mirad of other health issues from back to neck to other limb problems simply because your body is out of line?and because of progressive degenerative arthritis, I park in the handicap zone, however, it does not stop me for doing many duties to which I am perfectly capable of nor does it stop me from riding nor does a mirad of other things in life stop me from doing what I feel is important and that I am capable of.? Infact my doctors have insisted I continue to ride and push myself in?riding and particularily in?its?therapuetic value, risk and all.

On the scope of things and another for instance, pain elevates Bps. But does that make you a candidate for a heart failure???Infection can elevate Bps...fever can elevate Bp's... stress can elevate Bps, so can being subject to heat or cold?and you could take your? blood pressure 3 times in a row and not have the same reading twice.
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Professional drivers who carry CDLs are sidelined if BP's are over 140.? A driver on BP?medication can still drive even with a medicated controlled BP by DOT standards.
Just because one has issues in that regard one cannot predict when one will have a heart attack, or cancer or?injury?or many other issues.?
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Fainting in itself can be indicative of many miladys.? Question is which one.? Heat stroke,
exhaustion, cancer, a cold?
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We are dealing with horses here and people and an injury or health issue could arise at any time and no matter how presumed healthy the entire team is.
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The problem is risk and insurance companies imposing limitations.. The risk becomes a stockholders baby.? Things get too complicated and the bottomline is>>>? you will sacfrice a lot of experience when it gets down to health.?? Not all of us like to be teathered to a desk And not all of us can be.
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