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  • From: Evan Zimmerman <evan.zimmerman AT gmail.com>
  • To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/" <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [internetworkers] immediate reactions
  • Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:08:12 -0400

:-)

That stuff'll fly with people who don't follow this stuff, but give me
a break -- the flip flop thing is a charade. Every replublican
campaign for years has run that attack because it's so hard to fight.
But it's truly disingenuous and a distraction from discussion.

Kerry's message was very clear. The difference between last night and
recent months is, he finally boiled it down to a sentence instead of a
speech.


On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:38:14 -0400, Tony Spencer <tony AT tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> Substance?
>
> Kerry couldn't even stick to one position on Iraq during the debate!
>
> KERRY: "...But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq."
> .
> .
> .
> LEHRER: "Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake? "
>
> KERRY: "No, and they don't have to, providing we have the leadership that we
> put -- that I'm offering."
>
> Phew. Glad he cleared up the confusion.
>
> I agree with you on style. Bush didn't look good but Kerry lacked a clear
> message.
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
> > Of Sasha Akhavi
> > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:00 AM
> > To: Ian Meyer; Internetworkers:
> > http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] immediate reactions
> >
> > It wasn't style that tripped Bush up tonight; it was substance. This
> > was the most issues-focused debate I have seen in a presidential
> > election - no outstanding quips, no distracting jabs, just 90 minutes
> > of Jim Lehrer and John Kerry confronting George Bush about his
> > policies in Iraq, and George Bush faltering in response.
> >
> > 3) big things came out of this debate for me: 1) Kerry seemed more
> > presidential - more mature, more resolute, more intelligent and less
> > whiny - than the President and had the opportunity to recast the
> > "flip-flopping" characterization Bush has tried to level at him; 2)
> > Bush was shown up as valuing certainty above rectitude, in the face
> > of all evidence; 3) Kerry reestablished his credentials as a
> > military leader, and a more circumspect one than the President has
> > been. I'm as biased as they come too, but his respect for the people
> > doing the fighting, and his pledge that their endagerment would be
> > his last resort, was inescapably more sincere than Bush's.
> >
> > ... and after sending out this highly partisan message, I'm going to
> > be gone for the weekend, so I won't be around to continue the
> > discussion til Monday. See y'all then -SA
> >
> > >/me has no cable. :'(
> > >
> > >but i have to say, damn, i thought bush was supposed to be a great
> > >debater (resisting saying hes a master debater) and had never lost a
> > >debate in his life, but he messed that all up.
> > >
> > >Now, I'm about as biased as they come, but I'm not above calling
> > >someone out of he messed things up. There were a few times when I
> > >wanted to reach out and smack Kerry up side the head, but I was too
> > >distracted by Bush blinking all the time...or pausing in....the
> > >middle........
> > >
> > >...
> > >
> > >
> > >...
> > >
> > >
> > >of a sentence to compose himself...
> > >
> > >my $0.02
> > >ian
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:09:20 -0400, Thomas
> > <thomas AT tbeckett.com> wrote:
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> > >> So, how was the Daily Show tonight?
> > >>
> > >> TaB
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