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  • From: "Hyam Maccoby" <h.z.maccoby AT leeds.ac.uk>
  • To: "Corpus-paul" <corpus-paul AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu>
  • Subject: Re: son of man
  • Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:57:30 +0100


Dear Tony,

You wrote:
>is there anything at all in rabbinic writings, or in pre-Christian Jewish
literature that speaks or intimates a divine Messiah analogous to the
Messianic idea in Christianity,ie. a pre-existent divine figure whom
Christians viewed as the Son of God who became incarnate in Jesus of
Nazareth? >

The plain answer is 'No'.

With best wishes,

Hyam












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Dr.Hyam Maccoby
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Centre for Jewish Studies
University of Leeds
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To: "Corpus-paul" <corpus-paul AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:53 PM
Subject: [corpus-paul] Re: son of man


> Hyam,
>
> I have been interested in your dialogue on this subject. I was just
wondering, Tony Costa
>
> On Wed, 12 June 2002, "Hyam Maccoby" wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear David,
> >
> > You wrote:
> >
> > > What about 1 Enoch Chapter 48? This seems to equate "that
> > > son of man" (who you have called an angel) with "(God's)
> > > Anointed" (which I would take to be a messianic reference).
> >
> > Yes, this chapter does refer to the Messiah. But please note that the
deeds
> > ascribed to him are all earthly deeds and are not concerned with
spiritual
> > salvation. It is foretold here that the Messiah will defeat all 'the
kings
> > of the earth and the mighty landowners'. It is true that it is said
that
> > God created the Messiah before the creation of the sun and moon, and
this
> > can be paralleled in rabbinic writings. But this does not make him a
> > supernatural being, i.e. he is a created being just like Adam. You
point
> > out that he is called here 'son of man', which might make him seem
angelic
> > like the 'son of man' in Daniel. But note what is said is 'THAT son of
> > man', which is simply equivalent to 'that man', since 'son of man' was
> > frequently used simply to mean 'man'. In Daniel, the angel called 'son
of
> > man' is being differentiated from other angels who are in the shape of
> > animals; that is simply the designation of his shape, i.e. the shape of
a
> > man. This does mean that later the phrase ' son of man' sometimes came
to
> > mean angel, but this is by no means invariably the case (see Vermes, who
> > points out the 'son of man' can sometimes even be equivalent to 'I').
In
> > the present context, I do not see that the Messiah is being described as
an
> > angel.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Hyam
> >
> >
____________________________________________________________________________
> > _________________________________
> >
> >
> > Dr.Hyam Maccoby
> > Research Professor
> > Centre for Jewish Studies
> > University of Leeds
> > Leeds.LS2
> > Direct lines: tel. +44 (0)113 268 1972
> > fax +44 (0)113 268 0041
> > e-mail: h.z.maccoby AT leeds.ac.uk
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David C. Hindley" <dhindley AT compuserve.com>
> > To: "Corpus-paul" <corpus-paul AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 7:11 PM
> > Subject: [corpus-paul] Re: 4Q521
> >
> >
> >
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  • Re: son of man, Hyam Maccoby, 06/12/2002
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