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  • From: "nicolas maleve" <copy.cult AT constantvzw.com>
  • To: wim.schreurs AT vub.ac.be
  • Cc: cc-be AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Cc-be] RE: Cc-be Digest, Vol 6, Issue 5
  • Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:02:52 +0200 (CEST)

As for Belgium, I only know cases where uploaders have been brought to
court. But in France, the cases against downloaders have already started
last winter. And the accusation was based on the fact that a file
downloaded from an illegal source was a counterfeit(contrefaçon?). However
in the end, it looks like the downloader has been charged for illegal
upload, as in the Peer-to-peer system he was using, he couldn't only
download but was forced to give access to his download as well.

See:
http://news.tf1.fr/news/multimedia/2004/0,,3191463,00.html

[...]l'avocate représentant la SACEM expliquera ainsi que "la réciprocité
et le partage sont inhérents au peer-to-peer, et même rendus obligatoires
sur Direct Connect". Alain ayant téléchargé pendant un an, il est
impossible qu'il n'ait pas été banni des serveurs de Direct Connect aux
règles draconiennes.

Mais surtout, avance ensuite Me Ravinetti, avocat de la SCPP, "le
téléchargement en lui-même, à partir du moment où la source est illicite,
est contrefaçon" : même s'il n'a pas mis à disposition, Alain a
contrefait. Les avocats réclameront donc des dommages et intérêts
importants. Certes, expliquent-ils, "on ne peut pas savoir combien de fois
chaque morceau téléchargé par Alexis a ensuite été repris". Mais ils
disposent désormais d'un barême : le prix des morceaux de musique sur les
sites de téléchargement légal dont il n'ont cessé de faire la publicité.
Un euro par titre donc : au final, elles réclament 28.366 euros.

http://www.ratiatum.com/p2p.php?article=1914
Le premier de la cinquantaine de procès annoncés suites aux plaintes
déposées par le SNEP et la SCPP avait lieu hier mercredi à Pontoise, dans
la région parisienne. Alexis, un enseignant de 28 ans, comparaissait
devant le tribunal correctionnel pour avoir partagé sur Internet
l'équivalent de 614 albums en MP3. Selon l'article L.335-4 du code de la
propriété intellectuelle, mettre des chansons protégées par le droit
d'auteur sans autorisation des producteurs est un délit passible de 3 ans
d'emprisonnement et de 300.000 amende. Finalement le procureur n'aura
requis que 1500 euros, et la publication du jugement dans deux quotidiens
nationaux.

++---- wim schreurs said ----++
> As far as i know, illegal dowloading does not exist yet. It is the
> uploading
> (communication to the public) which is illegal.
> If anyone thinks this is wrong, please let me know.
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> Wim Schreurs
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> 1. Re: Auvibel tax and SABAM-affiliated artists
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> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:26:18 +0200
> From: BeMol!- Marcel Vander Mierde <marcel AT bemol.be>
> Subject: Re: [Cc-be] Auvibel tax and SABAM-affiliated artists
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> Op Sunday, April 24, 2005, 7:04:35 PM, BeMol! wrote:
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>> Hello folks,
>> in order to prepare myself as thouroughly as possible for this debate
>> on tuesday, I would like to know if that what some friends-musicians
>> have told me is correct.
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> Regrettably the subject of the debate has been changed in the last
> minute.
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> VRT-television had to pass another message:
> "illegal downloading is hurting artists"
> (I would have preferred the word 'commercial' before the word artists,
> but money was dictating)
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> The auvibel-tax will be brought soon as an opinion on our website.
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> --
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> Marcel Vander Mierde
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