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  • From: James Read <J.Read-2 AT sms.ed.ac.uk>
  • To: Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Nahar
  • Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:54:17 +0100

Hi Yigal,

I didn't mean to come across that way. I think there is more to this than just a tourist attraction, though. In the thread I linked I showed the different names of the city in different languages throughout history and how they get closer in form to Ur. Also, the tradition was quickly adopted by Mohammed's movement (6th century CE) so I don't think that tourism was the main drive of the tradition.

Logically speaking, it made sense for people to stick to the fertile crescent when travelling rather than crossing the desert. And so, if we go up the fertile crescent out of Isreal and over the river we conveniently end up at Sanliurfa with a Harran just down the road. Coincidence?

James Christian

Quoting Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>:

Dear James,

You cite "Tradition" as if there is only one, authoritive tradition, and the
burden of proof lies with anyone who disagrees. As far as I know, this is a
local tradition which the people of Urfa encouraged in order to attract
tourists and pilgrims. Since, as I admitted before, there is some logic to
it, some modern scholars have accepted it or parts of it. But really how old
is the tradition? When is it first attested? I have never really looked into
it, and would be glad to hear from someone who has.

Yigal Levin

-----Original Message-----

Hi Mark,

best thing would probably be to read the recent origin of Abram
thread. It provides a good summary of the competing theories.
Tradition places Abram's birthplace at modern day Sanliurfa in Turkey.

Crossing over the river takes you there.

James Christian


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