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  • From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
  • To: <pporta AT oham.net>
  • Cc: B-Hebrew Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ecc 12:6: BWR
  • Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:52:58 -0400

Pere,

The acts RUC, KUM, SUR, $UB appear to be inherently voluntary [as opposed to NI-RDAM, 'fell asleep' and the corresponding NE-(OR, 'woke up, bestirred', as in Zechariah 2:17] and hence a Niph'al form is not listed for them. The roots SUG, 'deviate, recede', MUG, 'melt away, dissolve', PUC, 'disperse', RUM, 'lift', are listed in the Hebrew grammar books as "having" a Niph'al form, so I do not see why RUC should not have it.
If the Niph'al form of MUG is NA-MOG, of PUC is NA-POC, 'became dispersed', and of RUM is NA-ROM, why not RUC -> NA-ROC. The NA-MOG-U KOL YO$BEI KNA(AN of exodus 15:15 could equally well have been NA-SOG- U KOL YO$BEI KNA(AN or NA-POC-U KOL YO$BEI KNA(AN or NA-ROC-U KOL YO $BEI KNA(AN, 'dispersed are all the inhabitants of Kna(an'.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Apr 5, 2008, at 12:18 AM, <pporta AT oham.net> wrote:

As regards "to run"... are you sure that it is one of them?
If yes, do you think that:

1. I run 20 miles every week -- is intransitive use
2. I cannot run this program -- is transitive use?


Correct on both. Or another example, "The snake oil salesman was run out
of
town."

_______

Yes, Karl.
From an English viewpoint this is as you write. But from a Hebrew viewpoint
it is wrong.
The Hebrew view of the sentence is:
"The snake oil salesman was caused to run out of the town"
Namely, the Huph'al and not the Niph'al of "run".
I mean: the right word --if we should to translate the sentence into
Hebrew-- would not the Niph'al of RWC, but the Huph'al of RWC. Look at B.2
in www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d083.html
and remark the examples taken from the Bible.
I suggest you to take advice whether the Niph'al of RWC really exists.

Warm greetings!

Pere Porta

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