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  • From: kgraham0938 AT comcast.net
  • To: Bob MacDonald <bobmacdonald AT shaw.ca>, 'b-hebrew' <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Song of Solomon 1:1
  • Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:22:38 +0000

Yes, that is how I would see it, the predicate adjective is agreeing with the
word it modifies. I think love there could be taken as "love making" and
that may explain the plural or you could look at the LXX which has breast
(MASTOI) there, and oils maybe is some sort of combination of oils to make a
nice smell or fragrance.

--
Kelton Graham
KGRAHAM0938 AT comcast.net

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Bob MacDonald <bobmacdonald AT shaw.ca>

> Thanks, Kelton
>
>
>
> And the tovim of verse 3? Is shemaneika likewise plural?
>
>
>
> We tend not to pluralize these words in English - love / oil /(except
> unguents)
>
>
>
> I think the shift of person is as your note indicates - as the Psalmist
> often shifts from reporting to covenantal dialogue - so the poet does here,
> almost as if she was writing in the presence of the beloved.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Bob MacDonald
>
> Victoria BC
>
> http://gx.ca
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> http://bmd.gx.ca
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> _____
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> From: kgraham0938 AT comcast.net [mailto:kgraham0938 AT comcast.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:58 PM
> To: Bob MacDonald; 'b-hebrew'
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Song of Solomon 1:1
>
>
>
> I think toviym is plural because it is agreeing with dodeyka which is
> plural
> here. A predicat adjective agrees with its noun in gender and number.
>
> With regards to your other question, the NET bible offers a pretty good
> solution.
>
> Heb "May he kiss me.." The shift from 3rd person masculine singular forms
> ("he" and "his") in
> 1:2a to 2nd
> person masculine singular forms ("your") in
> 1:2b-4 has
> led some to suggest that the Beloved addresses the Friends in
> 1:2a and
> then her Lover in
> 1:2b-4. A
> better solution is that the shift from the 3rd person masculine singular to
> 2nd person masculine singular forms is an example of heterosis of person: a
> poetic de vice in which the grammatical person shifts from line to line (M.
> H. Pope, Song of Songs [AB], 297). The third person is put for the second
> person (e.g,
> Gen 49:4;
> Deut
> 32:15;
> Ps 23:2-5;
> Isa 1:29;
> 42:20;
> 54:1; Jer
> 22:24; Amos
> 4:1; Micah
> 7:19; Lam
> 3:1; Song
> 4:2; 6:6)
> (E. W. Bullinger, Figures of Speech, 524-25). Similar s hifts occur in
> ancient Near Eastern love literature (cf. S. N. Kramer, The Sacred Marriage
> Rite, 92, 99). Most translations render
> 1:2
> literally and preserve the shifts from 3rd person masculine singular to 2nd
> person masculine singular forms (KJV, AV, NASB, NIV); others render
> 1:2 with 2nd
> person masculine singular forms throughout (RSV, NJPS).
>
> --
> Kelton Graham
> KGRAHAM0938 AT comcast.net
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Bob MacDonald
>
> > Thank you all for the responses to my question.
> >
> > I find a few other questions in that first section of the Song: is there
> > grammatical significance in the tovim? - to me it seems an unexpected
> > plural.
> >
> > And why does the poet move between third and second person? (this is
> perhaps
> > an off list poetics question)
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Bob MacDonald
> > Victoria BC
> > http://gx.ca
> > http://bmd.gx.ca
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Dear Yitzhak,

Don't you think that knowledge of Egyptian of that period is sine qua
non for any discussion of Steiner's paper or its refutatiom?

Uri



On 1/26/07, Uri Hurwitz wrote: > Shortly after the sensational claim of the
earleist proto- Canaanite > inscription ever discovered was made - see below
- what appears as > complete refutation by an Egyptologist appeared :
Dear Uri, Thank you for drawing attention to this. I have posted my
comments and thoughts on his refutation here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/3644 Yitzhak Sapir


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Subject: [b-hebrew] variants of "ears" in Psalm 40:6
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I can't understand BHS to look at variant readings of quotes. Can someone
tell me if any manuscripts had other words besides "ears" in Hebrew in Psalm
40:6?

Sincerely,

Kenneth Greifer

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