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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] accent mark question Ps 45:7 and Dagesh in Isaiah 8:11
  • Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:26:01 +0000

@Yitzhak:

Cool, thanks alot I appreciate it. I was just double checking against the
NWT of

"God is your throne to time indefinite, even ever more."

I knew that was weird but it is always best to double check.

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Kelton Graham
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-------------- Original message --------------

> On 10/31/05, Kelton Graham wrote:
> > @yitzhak:
> >
> > Let me ask you something, giving the munah, one cannot translate
> > this as "God, is your throne for ever and ever."
> >
> > In otherwords the subject/predicate can't flip flop.
>
> The Massoretic marks can't provide that. There are only two possibilities
> from the Massoretic marks: either "ksak )lhm" is a unified block or it is
> divided into two. If it was divided into two, the verse would read:
>
> [ Your throne ] { [ God ] [ eternal ] }
>
> Translated meaning, "Your throne, God is eternal"? I am not sure what
> that means. I guess this means that the division of this verse portion is
> rather straightforward.
>
> > And which do you think is stronger translation?
> >
> > Your throne, O God...
> > vs
> > Your throne is God...
>
> Like I said, I understand that vs 3 reads "God blesses you forever" and
> starting with vs 4 reads the blessing to his king. So God can't be speaking
> to Himself. God is speaking to His king, blessing him, saying He is the
> foundation for his throne/reign.
>
> > In regards to Isaiah 8:11, if this is a piel this would mean that bible
> > works
> > is in error, for they mark this as a qal imperfect 3 masculine singular.
> > I
> > usually don't go against bible works, but in this case I can't see how
> > they
> > got there morphology.
>
> Perhaps by using a variant that I listed. None of the variants that I
> pointed out
> had a dagesh in the Samekh. Do they claim to follow the Ben Asher Codex?
> The dagesh is clear at http://www.aleppocodex.org/aleppocodex.html
>
> Yitzhak Sapir
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On 31/10/2005 19:15, Karl Randolph wrote:

> ...
>
>On the contrary, it is because I see a unanimity of
>meaning in the Hebrew uses ...
>

What, cutting/slaughter/mutilation and consecrating are "a unanimity of
meaning"? I really can't buy that. I could accept that they just could
come from the same root as extended senses, but they certainly don't
show the kind of unanimity which anyone could even dream of taking as
evidence that these must be the same root.

...

>
>Evidence that Arabic has two roots becomes moot when
>there is no evidence that two roots are used in Hebrew.
>
>

There is good, although not conclusive, evidence in Hebrew for two roots
from the highly divergent meanings.

>Do you agree or disagree with Jack's definition of XRM
>and why?
>
>
>
Your question presupposes that XRM is a single word with a single
definition. The evidence clearly proves that this presupposition is
incorrect. So I cannot answer the question, any more than I would expect
you to answer "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

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