[permaculture] permaculture Digest, Vol 100, Issue 2

Frances and David Nokes fdnokes at hotmail.com
Mon May 2 12:37:35 EDT 2011


If you scroll down to the second message or use find function: aquaponics
really interesting message about a conference coming up in northern california!
just picked up on it after mentioning the topic to you.
fran

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>   1.  Fwd: [SANET-MG] The Failure of the Genome (Soil Doctor)
>   2. Re: BBC News - New EU regulations on herbal	medicines come
>      into force (?artin M)
>   3. Aquaponics + Biogas + Green Business = Food & Energy
>      Independence (Living Mandala)
>   4. Re: Aquaponics + Biogas + Green Business = Food &	Energy
>      Independence (wenshidi at yahoo.co.uk)
>   5. Re: BBC News - New EU regulations on herbal	medicines come
>      into force (georg parlow)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 12:45:38 -0500
> From: Soil Doctor <soildoctor.org at gmail.com>
> Subject: [permaculture]  Fwd: [SANET-MG] The Failure of the Genome
> To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
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> The current scientific inventory of genetic material in the human body puts the amount of human genetic material at a mere 0.7%.  99.3% is microbial and non-human.  Metagenomics and metabolomics are popping the top off of the interactions between a human host and microbes and showing that in most human diseases and processes there is a microbial connection. A couple of months ago researchers published a paper showing guy microbes regulated human liver function, for one small example.  Studying ONLY the human genetic material is like looking only at how a door handle is built in order to understand how a full house was constructed.  I've made a few recent posts about the paradigm change occurring in medical sciences because there is greater understanding (through metagenomics and metabolomics) of human-microbial symbiosis and mutualism.   Generally, the edge medical science is changing its treatment paradigm from "antibiotic" to "probiotic."  I wrote about this on my soil blog
>  because it mirrors what a lot of us are doing in regenerative microbiological agriculture. In case you're interested to hear from the researchers here's a couple of posts:
> 
> http://soildoctor.org/?p=931
> 
> http://soildoctor.org/?p=921
> 
> Doug Weatherbee
> http://soildoctor.org
> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:38:22 -0600
>> From: Toby Hemenway <toby at patternliteracy.com>
>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: [SANET-MG] The Failure of the Genome
>> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <818C7745-515B-49F8-96D5-5A3543593B3B at patternliteracy.com>
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>> 
>> This article takes the typical journalist "gotta get a controversial angle" stance and gets a lot of it wrong. For example,
>> 
>> "The human genome sequencing project was based on a huge, but calculated, gamble. The then leaders-to-be of the project believed that faulty genes inherited from our parents were probably the cause of most disease." 
>> 
>> But then they quote the leader of the federal genome project who agrees that there have been no significant cures. And the leader of the private project, Craig Venter, always said it was more for the sake of doing it, to see the patterns that reside in the genome, rather than to find cures. Every geneticist I worked with for years understood that the correlation between any single gene and a disease was going to be very murky. But the power of DNA sequencing tools is immense, and is rewriting botanical taxonomy and evolutionary relationships, among many other things, even if the practical payoff, in terms of products and cures, is never going to amount to much. What we're learning about the patterns of inheritance and evolution is enormous.
>> 
>> Toby
>> http://patternliteracy.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [SANET-MG] The Failure of the Genome
>>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:40:55 -0400
>>> From: jonathan latham <jrlatham at BIOSCIENCERESOURCE.ORG>
>>> To: SANET-MG at LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
>>> 
>>> This may look like it's not relevant to you but sustainable farmers,
>>> processors, supporters and researchers need to know about this and
>>> they need their customers, their funders, their friends and their
>>> neighbours to know about it too.
>>> As one of the comments notes, medical genetics got its start from the
>>> tobacco industry, and its second wind from the food and
>>> pharmaceutical industries. They know how to tilt the playing field.
>>> Sustainable farmers now have a chance to tilt it back. Send this to
>>> everyone you know (and every listserv you know).
>>> 
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/17/human-genome-
>>> genetics-twin-studies
>>> 
>>> sincerely
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Latham (PhD)
>>> Executive Director
>>> The Bioscience Resource Project
>>> jrlatham at bioscienceresource.org
>>> 001-607-319-0290
>>> 
>>> http://www.bioscienceresource.org/
>>> 
>>> PO Box 6869
>>> Suite 132, 215 N. Cayuga St.
>>> Ithaca 14851 NY
>>> USA
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 15:58:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ?artin M <martinmikush at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] BBC News - New EU regulations on herbal
> 	medicines come into force
> To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
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> This is just one of the many ridiculous decisiions of the EU
> administrators, who apparently are living in some strange unearthy
> world. Lets take the case of Bulgaria trying to implement these
> regulations - it is so obvious that this is impossible - just take a
> walk through a market in rural Bulgaria and some could get a better
> idea about Brussels being out of sync with the reality , or maybe they
> want us to live in theyr artificial reality or even worst - they want
> to design the setting for total imprisonment of all of us who want to
> live a real self- reliant, healthy and peaceful life. On the weekly
> markets in rural Bulgaria ( part of the EU since 2007) farmers are
> selling milk and home made cheese, vegetable plants for gardening,
> dairy products ( goat , shep and cows cheese ) herbs and life animals
> ( chicken and pigs are regulars at the semi-legal market places) the
> local govermment officers are tolerant to this practise and have
> understanding. How the EU will try to kill this lively poor people's
> options to feed and heal themselfs? they tryied to made us stop
> smoking - didnt work , they tryied to make us stop making (moonshine)
> liquour and it didnt work. now they try to kill the habit of having
> herbal teas ??? law should follow the logic of life , not the logic of
> anonymous interests!
> 
> I think that such discrepancies would lower the popularity of the
> project , called European Union.
> And then we will see a fast movemnt towards self- reliant existance
> with no respect to any Brussels born order.
> 
> Martin M
> 
> On Apr 30, 7:19?am, "Lawrence F. London, Jr."
> <venauraf... at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> What many have feared appears to be happening. Now, what kind of pitiful
>> lamer politico/corporate sycophant weenie does it take to ban echinacea?
>> TCM and Ayurveda too? Really pitiful creepy jerks. I hope they don't try
>> this in the USA.
>> 
>> Do not wait, the time is now to prepare for a self sufficient,
>> independent and self reliant lifestyle. Grow your own medicinal herbs
>> and food crops. Have at least a year's supply of homegrown foods on hand
>> at all times.
>> 
>> <>
>> 
>> BBC News - New EU regulations on herbal medicines come into forcehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13215010
>> 29 April 2011 Last updated at 19:44 ET
>> By Dominic Hughes Health correspondent, BBC News
>> 
>> New European Union rules come into force today banning hundreds of
>> traditional herbal remedies.
>> 
>> The EU law aims to protect consumers from possible damaging side-effects
>> of over-the-counter herbal medicines.
>> 
>> For the first time, new regulations will allow only long-established and
>> quality-controlled medicines to be sold.
>> 
>> But both herbal remedy practitioners and manufacturers fear they could
>> be forced out of business.
>> 
>> To date, the industry has been covered by the 1968 Medicines Act, drawn
>> up when only a handful of herbal remedies were available and the number
>> of herbal practitioners was very small.
>> 
>> But surveys show that around a quarter of all adults in the UK have used
>> a herbal medicine in the past two years, mostly bought over the counter
>> in health food shops and pharmacies.
>> 
>> The regulations will cover widely used products such as echinacea, St
>> John's Wort and valerian, as well as traditional Chinese and Indian
>> medicines.
>> Traditional Herbal Remedy logo Herbal remedies that have been approved
>> for sale under the new regulations will come with this logo
>> 
>> But safety concerns have focused on the powerful effects of some herbal
>> remedies, as well as the way they interact with conventional drugs.
>> 
>> For example, St John's Wort can interfere with the contraceptive pill,
>> while ginkgo and ginseng are known to have a similar effect to the
>> blood-thinning drug warfarin.
>> 
>> ?From now on only products that have been assessed by the Medicine and
>> Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) will be allowed to go on sale.
>> 
>> Manufacturers will have to prove that their products have been made to
>> strict standards and contain a consistent and clearly marked dose.
>> 
>> And to count as a traditional medicine, products must have been in use
>> for the past 30 years, including 15 years within the EU.
>> 
>> They will also only be approved for minor ailments like coughs and
>> colds, muscular aches and pains, or sleep problems.
>> 
>> Remedies already on sale will be allowed to stay on the shelves until
>> they reach their expiry date.
>> Free from contamination
>> 
>> Richard Woodfield, head of herbal medicine policy at the MHRA, says so
>> far there have been 211 applications, of which 105 have been granted
>> registration.
>> Continue reading the main story
>> ?Start Quote
>> 
>> ? ? ?We're very concerned that patients appreciate they must be very
>> careful when they take these medicines and ideally should talk to their
>> doctor or pharmacist?
>> 
>> Prof Jayne Lawrence Royal Pharmaceutical Society
>> 
>> "Crucially, this EU directive and the registration scheme puts consumers
>> in the driving seat so they can identify that a product meets assured
>> standards on safety, quality and information about safe use.
>> 
>> "Safety speaks for itself, but quality means, are they using the right
>> part of the plant? Is it free from contamination? Is the claimed shelf
>> life suitable?
>> 
>> "Product information will include possible side effects and interactions
>> with other drugs, but above all it must make very clear that it is based
>> on traditional use."
>> 
>> And that is a key point for the Royal Pharmaceutical Society, which
>> believes the new regime is a step forward in improving safety and quality.
>> 
>> But Prof Jayne Lawrence, chief science adviser to the society, says
>> there are still some concerns about herbal products.
>> 
>> "They certainly haven't been tested on the same basis as a conventional
>> medicine and some of these compounds are very potent.
>> 
>> "Patients might not realise that in some cases they should not take
>> other medicines with them, or if they're going for surgery they should
>> tell their doctors they are taking these particular medicines because
>> there may be complications.
>> 
>> "So we're very concerned that patients appreciate they must be very
>> careful when they take these medicines and, ideally, should talk to
>> their doctor or pharmacist."
>> 
>> The manufacturers of herbal remedies have had seven years to prepare for
>> the new rules after the European Directive on Traditional Herbal
>> Medicinal Products was introduced in 2004.
>> Too onerous?
>> 
>> These regulations apply to over-the-counter sales, which form the bulk
>> of herbal remedies sold in the UK.
>> 
>> But some manufacturers and herbal practitioners have expressed concern,
>> arguing the new rules are too onerous for many small producers.
>> 
>> Michael McIntyre, chairman of the European Herbal and Traditional
>> Medicines Practitioners Association, says there will be a significant
>> impact on herbal medicine practitioners and their suppliers, but admits
>> the rules do need bringing up to date.
>> 
>> "Products that go on the market now will definitely do what it says on
>> the bottle, while we didn't know how good they were in the past.
>> 
>> "But registration is expensive so perhaps there may be fewer products on
>> the market and a smaller range.
>> 
>> "It's difficult to argue that the market should stay as it is, without
>> any regulation, but how many businesses will pack up and walk away? I
>> can't say."
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:56:14 -0700
> From: Living Mandala <livingmandala at livingmandala.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Aquaponics + Biogas + Green Business = Food &
> 	Energy	Independence
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:07:40 +0100 (BST)
> From: "wenshidi at yahoo.co.uk" <wenshidi at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Aquaponics + Biogas + Green Business =
> 	Food &	Energy Independence
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <854464.45446.qm at web25401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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> --- On Sat, 4/30/11, Living Mandala <livingmandala at livingmandala.com> wrote:
>> Aquaponics combines Aquaculture with Hydroponics creating
>> one of the? 
>> most sustainable and productive food systems on the
>> planet.
> 
> Just out of interest, if aquaponics is one of the most sustainable and productive food systems on the planet (which I certainly cannot disagree with), what are the other contenders?
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:12:08 +0200
> From: georg parlow <g.parlow at gmx.at>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] BBC News - New EU regulations on herbal
> 	medicines come into force
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <64D6920A-389D-4AC0-9040-3C61E1649C4B at gmx.at>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> 
>> law should follow the logic of life , not the logic of
>> anonymous interests!
>> 
>> I think that such discrepancies would lower the popularity of the
>> project , called European Union.
>> 
> 
> YES! I am looking forward to the unravelling of this artifical  
> monstrosity ever since they stuffed it down our throats.
> 
> 
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en,
> 
> Georg Parlow
> ************
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> 1230 Wien, Wohnpark Alterlaa B1/013
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