[permaculture] thornless honey locust propagation

mIEKAL aND qazingulaza at gmail.com
Thu Apr 9 12:38:03 EDT 2009


I've had the opposite experience.  I have 3rd generation honey locust,
each generation grown from seed & everything has remained thornless
(but they do sucker..)  I'm wondering if maybe there are environmental
factors that would cause them to revert?  Stress, fertility, etc

~mIEKAL

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Keith D Johnson <keithdj at mindspring.com> wrote:
> I purchased seed for thornless honey locust from Lawyer Nursery and about half of them eventually proved to yield thorny plants.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Lisa Rollens <rollens at fidnet.com>
>>Sent: Apr 7, 2009 12:33 PM
>>To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Subject: Re: [permaculture] thornless honey locust propagation
>>
>>Hey John!
>>
>>I think that thornless honey locust do not breed true.  I also am interested
>>in them and gather and feed the pods, primarily to my Jersey cow.  My
>>thoughts, thinking about planting some for fodder use, on a small acreage,
>>is to just go up on the hill where they seed into the pasture and dig up the
>>thornless ones and transplant.  I know they will transplant because I dug
>>some up and heeled them in my garden for later transplanting.  they grew
>>well in the garden!  They seed into the pastures all over here, and probably
>>there as well.  Easy to tell thorny from thornless.
>>
>>Lisa, in the MO Ozarks
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Fritz" <johnfritz77 at yahoo.com>
>>To: <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:16 AM
>>Subject: [permaculture] thornless honey locust propagation
>>
>>I have some thornless honey locut seed in stratification after having
>>scarified them, only to come across some information that these trees can
>>revert back to a thorn producing variety in their seed. I am interested in
>>these trees for sentimental reasons...a specimen was the biggest, most shade
>>producing tree in my childhood Chicago backyard. But also, I am interested
>>in the tree as a fodder and fuel crop. They produce seed pods and branches
>>that goats will eat, and also can be used as a coppice species.
>>
>>My question: Does anyone have any experience with this species, in
>>particular its' potential to revert back to a thorn bearing variety in its'
>>seed?
>>
>>John Fritz, NW Arkansas.
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