[permaculture] mice, voles, rodents, oh my!

lbsaltzman at aol.com lbsaltzman at aol.com
Tue Sep 11 09:39:05 EDT 2007


You have a definite shortage of barn owls. Consider putting barn owl houses at strategic locations around the property. Once attracted to the home,?a barn own pair and chicks easily consume a thousand rodents a year, often more.? There are plans on the internet for building the homes or you can find them for sale on the internet as well. There are also instructions on how to locate them and how high they should be (approx. 15 feet off the ground).? You will have to use other short term strategies until they come but this is a great long term strategy.? 


-----Original Message-----
From: kevin s <k.skvorak at verizon.net>
To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 5:21 am
Subject: [permaculture] mice, voles, rodents, oh my!



hi folks,

here in NYS we are approaching the end of our second season growing 
for our CSA primarily using mulchbeds.  we have grown so far in three 
different locations, each with very different soil conditions, and 
very different wider ecological conditions, and the systems have 
proven themselves to be very productive means of growing.

pests, unfortunately, are another issue. particularly the fact that 
mulch beds provide wonderful habitat for rodents.  (and we won't even 
get into slugs, and other overwintering pests here)

though we have seen consistently good yield, our losses to pests are 
often unacceptable under the circumstances, and as a CSA and market 
farming operation we have an obligation to provide produce of a 
certain quality, or we will simply not make it financially.   while 
we can eat food damaged by rodents chewmarks, we can't pass it off on 
our members if we want them to stick around.

we want to continue moving no-till fwd, and continue promoting it 
both in our own communities, and in the wider farming community, but 
we can't do that if it just doesn't work to provide an economically 
viable yield.

so, i am earnestly seeking advice and help out there.  though i hate 
to do it, i am thinking about some rounds of poisons over the coming 
months, and again in the spring to knock down the population, and 
then some limited change in cultural practices to try to minimize 
breeding sites, but just by observing the scale of our problem, i 
don't have high confidence in the success of any of this.

of course each area that we grow in has vastly different existing 
ecologies and concurrent opportunities for IPM strategies, and that 
is where we get the real benefits ie- more snakes=less mice.  this 
isn't always something that can be created quickly, or even at all in 
some circumstances depending on the growing area and what is around 
it etc

eager for help (and feeling anxiety in advance of flippant advice 
from armchair permies like "get yourself some ducks mate! duck love 
mice...." etc)


thanks
  kevin
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