[NAFEX] cornus mas
Roy Johnson
royj157 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 16 17:14:57 EST 2010
I found a very fine specimen in North Seattle a few years back and saved
seeds. The fruit on this tree was sub acid and very rich flavored, not all
that tart. I think the flavor is somewhere between Cherry and Cranberry.
Perhaps this tree was selected out for superior fruit.
It is a very attractive manageable small tree.
Have about a dozen seedlings in pots now.
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jay Cutts <cutts at cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
> Because of the very early flowering, I tried it here in NM at 7000 feet
> where
> most trees get subjected to late frosts and don't set fruit. I assumed that
> if
> it blooms that early, it must have built in resistance to frosts.
>
> Unfortunately, it seems to be susceptible here to a strange syndrome which
> affects certain plants that are unrelated to each other. Part way through
> the
> season the leaves begin to die back from the edges, turning brownish and
> drying up. Eventually this works its way to the center of the leaf. It
> affects all the leaves on the plant and I have never had a plant recover
> from it.
>
> I have theorized that the cause could be high ultraviolet or perhaps the
> high
> mineral content of the soil or the irrigation water. The syndrome has
> affected Cornus mas and kousa, pawpaws (which are notoriously susceptible
> to
> direct sun in their early years), hardy kiwi, sweet cherries, among others.
> Some other cherries seem to be mildly affected but survive. My
> Montmorency's
> leaves get a bit ragged on the edges by late summer. My chokecherries
> pretty
> much have their leaves destroyed by late summer but survive anyway.
>
> I'd love to grow Cornus mas but haven't figured a way around this. By the
> way, sometimes people say to grow it in some shade but we don't have shade
> here. At least any shade that exists is under very competitive pines and
> junipers.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> >
> > I am not a big fan of Cornus mas fruits but from giving a lot out for
> > tasting, I have found that about 40 percent of the people really like
> > them. The flavor varies quite dramatically with ripeness or how long
> > they've sat after being picked. I do like the tree because it blossoms
> > very early, stays in bloom for a weeks and weeks, always has good
> > fruit set, and the fruits are ornamental in and of themselves. I have
> > a variety called Black Plum that I think is better than most others
> > (but I'm still no great fan of the fruit).
> >
> > My uncommon fruit book has a whole chapter on Cornus mas. It also has
> > a very interesting history.
> >
> > Lee Reich, PhD
> > http://www.leereich.com/
> > http://leereich.com/blog.html.
> >
> > Books by Lee Reich:
> > A Northeast Gardener's Year
> > The Pruning Book
> > Weedless Gardening
> > Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> > Landscaping with Fruit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 16, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Michele Stanton wrote:
> >
> > > There are differences in taste. Have you been to the Cincinnati Zoo
> > > in
> > > mid-to-late March to see them in flower? Not wow in my opinion,
> > > sort of
> > > like a subdued forsythia, but not bad, either.
> > >
> > > There are quite a few mature trees up at the Secrest Arboretum in
> > > Wooster if
> > > you care to take the drive. If I remember right they mature there
> > > the first
> > > part of September. Some were good fresh when dead ripe, a little
> > > bit like a
> > > ripe pie cherry; others remained sour. I didn't have the chance to
> > > cook
> > > with them at the time. But I do remember that birds didn't seem too
> > > excited
> > > about the fruits; when they dropped on the ground, there didn't seem
> > > to be
> > > too many critters feasting on them, either. (Maybe the coons were
> > > having
> > > too much fun with all the nearby corn).
> > > Michele in SW Ohio
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mark wessel
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:07 PM
> > > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] cornus mas,are they really as good as people say
> > >
> > > First let me say that the only cornus mas I am familiar with is
> > > the one
> > > they use in many old gardens around Cincinnati. They all seem the
> > > same. I
> > > have heard people rave about the fruit. To me its just this sour red
> > > fruit.
> > > I have even picked them off the ground having a dark red bing cherry
> > > color.
> > > They are still sour. Are the cultivars better tasting. Is cooking
> > > when they
> > > come into there own. Do they transform into a whole different beast
> > > when
> > > cooked like serviceberry. I am just trying to love them.
> > > Are there varieties that have brighter yellow flowers?
> > >
> > > Mark
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> > -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I am not a big fan of Cornus =
> > mas fruits but from giving a lot out for tasting, I have found that =
> > about 40 percent of the people really like them. The flavor varies quite
> =
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> =
> > do like the tree because it blossoms very early, stays in bloom for a =
> > weeks and weeks, always has good fruit set, and the fruits are =
> > ornamental in and of themselves. I have a variety called Black Plum that
> =
> > I think is better than most others (but I'm still no great fan of the =
> > fruit).<div><br></div><div>My uncommon fruit book has a whole chapter on
> =
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> > after-white-space; "><div>Lee Reich, PhD</div><div><span =
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> </a></span></spa=
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> > href=3D"http://leereich.com/blog.html">http://leereich.com/blog.html
> </a>.<=
> > /span></span></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
> > color=3D"#144FAE"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
> > style=3D"text-decoration: underline; =
> > "><br></span></font></div><div>Books by Lee Reich:</div><div><i>A =
> > Northeast Gardener's Year</i></div><div><i>The Pruning =
> > Book</i></div><div><i>Weedless Gardening</i></div><div><i>Uncommon =
> > Fruits for Every Garden</i></div><div><i>Landscaping with =
> >
> Fruit</i></div><div><br></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div=
> >
> ></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span><=
> > br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br =
> > class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br =
> > class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On Jan 16, =
> > 2010, at 4:27 PM, Michele Stanton wrote:</div><br =
> > class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>There
> =
> > are differences in taste. Have you been to the Cincinnati Zoo =
> > in<br>mid-to-late March to see them in flower? Not wow in my =
> > opinion, sort of<br>like a subdued forsythia, but not bad, =
> > either.<br><br>There are quite a few mature trees up at the Secrest =
> > Arboretum in Wooster if<br>you care to take the drive. If I =
> > remember right they mature there the first<br>part of September. =
> > Some were good fresh when dead ripe, a little bit like a<br>ripe =
> > pie cherry; others remained sour. I didn't have the chance to =
> > cook<br>with them at the time. But I do remember that birds didn't
> =
> > seem too excited<br>about the fruits; when they dropped on the ground, =
> > there didn't seem to be<br>too many critters feasting on them, either. =
> > (Maybe the coons were having<br>too much fun with all the nearby =
> > corn). <br>Michele in SW Ohio<br><br>-----Original =
> > Message-----<br>From: <a =
> > href=3D"mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
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> > o.org</a><br>[<a =
> > href=3D"mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org">mailto:
> nafex-bounces at lists=
> > .ibiblio.org</a>] On Behalf Of mark wessel<br>Sent: Saturday, January =
> > 16, 2010 4:07 PM<br>To: North American Fruit Explorers<br>Subject: Re: =
> > [NAFEX] cornus mas,are they really as good as people say<br><br> =
> > First let me say that the only cornus mas I am familiar with
> =
> > is the one<br>they use in many old gardens around Cincinnati. They all =
> > seem the same. I<br>have heard people rave about the fruit. To me its =
> > just this sour red fruit.<br>I have even picked them off the ground =
> > having a dark red bing cherry color.<br>They are still sour. Are the =
> > cultivars better tasting. Is cooking when they<br>come into there own. =
> > Do they transform into a whole different beast when<br>cooked like =
> > serviceberry. I am just trying to love them.<br> Are =
> > there varieties that have brighter yellow =
> >
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