lreich at hvc.rr.com
Mon Feb 8 15:14:05 EST 2010
Leaves on grafted trees are "mature" even when the trees are first
planted so they should not need shading. A seedling tree's leaves are
juvenile for a few years a perhaps the juvenile leaves do need
shading. After years of seeing a lot of pawpaw seedlings, I'm not sure
any need shading, though. Can anyone else confirm this, or not?
Lee Reich, PhD
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On Feb 3, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Jay Cutts wrote:
> I've read that Sunflower is self-fertile. It also looks like there is
> some consensus among people on the list that it's a good variety.
> Apparently pawpaws cannot tolerate direct sun in their first year.
> in NM at 5 to 7 thousand feet, I have encased them in multiple
> layers of
> shade cloth so that they are nearly in the dark and am leaving them
> way for several years, since I've had experience with a number of
> having their leaves burnt, possibly by the high ultraviolet.
> I have heard that when they are mature, they prefer full sun in
> order to
> produce the best.
> Jay Cutts
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> Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
>> I'm considering planting an American persimmon tree. I don't have a
>> lot of room, so I probably have room for only one of these big
>> trees. Is it true that 'Yates' sets fruit without pollination, and
>> they're seedless? It sounds too good to be true, so I'm checking
>> with y'all. Are these seedless fruit as numerous, big and tasty as
>> seedy pollinated ones would be?
>> Oh, and someone asked about blue persimmons a little while ago. I
>> notice that they're for sale here:
>> although I've heard that they don't taste as good as the orange
>> ones. They do look interesting, though. Here's a picture, plus info:
>> But now a persimmon growing question: The only place in my yard big
>> enough for a big tree like that is just to the west of a huge sugar
>> maple. Anything I plant there would get sun only after noon, unless
>> it somehow grows really tall really fast and shades the maple.
>> Would a persimmon do OK with competition like that?
>> zone 5 central NY
>> Eating frozen strawberries, and looking at the snow.
>> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Lee Reich <lreich at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich at hvc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Tall persimmons
>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 9:09 AM
>>> I've grown American persimmon
>>> cultivars here in Zone 5 in the Hudson Valley for about 20
>>> years and almost always harvest nice crops. I recommend
>>> Szukis as the best for flavor and hardiness, and just about
>>> as good are Mohler, Dooley, and Yates. Meader never tastes
>>> that good to me, Pieper never ripened, and Prok just barely
>>> ripens but remains somewhat astringent and bland.
>>> Lee Reich,
>>> Books by Lee Reich:A
>>> Northeast Gardener's YearThe Pruning
>>> GardeningUncommon Fruits for Every
>>> GardenLandscaping with
>>> On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Melissa Kacalanos
>>> I probably just need someone to talk me out
>>> of this, but y'all got me thinking about persimmons
>>> again. Is it possible to grow them in zone 5a, upstate NY? I
>>> know the American species is hardy to this zone, but do the
>>> fruit have enough heat and time to mature here? How about
>>> this Rosseyanka hybrid?
>>> I saw a kaki tree in Switzerland in December that looked
>>> ridiculous, it had so many gaudy orange fruit on it. It made
>>> me think that a persimmon might be worth planting just as an
>>> Enjoying the smell of candying citrus peel on the stove,
>>> and looking out at the snow.
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