[NAFEX] Was: Pear Thief, now hazards of relocating wildlife

Ernest Plutko ernestplutko at wiktel.com
Wed Aug 25 20:02:38 EDT 2010


Almost everything is a crime in the US.

---- Original Message ----
From: rewagner at centurytel.net
To: rancher at carolina.rr.com, nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Was: Pear Thief, now hazards of relocating
wildlife
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:22:47 -0500

>Robins are protected by international treaty and killing or harassing
>them is a federal crime.
>
>
>From: Pat Armstrong 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:40 PM
>To: North American Fruit Explorers 
>Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Was: Pear Thief, now hazards of relocating
>wildlife
>
>
>I agree Lucky, especially your last sentence...  Robins are not
>considered endangered by our household, I'd bet they'd cook up just
>like dove.   I've heard that you can get rabies from eating the brain
>of a diseased animal, so I'd probably be extremely careful when
>preparing any rodent or mammal for dinner...personally, I'm not fond
>of brains-as-food, so I would not plan on eating the them.. This link
>refers to a couple of cases where those who butchered were not
>careful enough.
>http://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2009/03/articles/animals/cats/eating
>-dog-or-cat-linked-to-rabies-/   
>
>Pat 7b
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Dr. Lucky Pittman 
>  To: 'North American Fruit Explorers' 
>  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:01 PM
>  Subject: [NAFEX] Was: Pear Thief, now hazards of relocating
>wildlife
>
>
>  Not bashing on you, Jay, and some may look at me as a heartless
>b at st@rd, but trapping and relocation is not a desirable solution; but
>I don't bend over for the bunny huggers or anthropomorphizing public
>any more, so I'll say it.
>
>  It's better to terminate 'em on the spot.  Shoot to kill, use
>quick-kill traps/snares, or live-trap and terminate.
>
>   
>
>  Except in the case of threatened species - which squirrels most
>assuredly are NOT - wildlife biologists are pretty much all on the
>same page in opposing relocation/translocation of problem/depredating
>wildlife.
>
>   
>
>  Relocated animals will immediately have to compete with the
>existing population at the site of release for available food,
>shelter, mates, etc., all while avoiding predators - in an area that
>may already be at 'carrying capacity' for that species.  The
>relocated animal &/or members of the pre-existing population are
>likely going to find themselves at a disadvantage - something may
>experience a slow, lingering death due to starvation or injury.
>
>   
>
>  By relocating a problem animal to another location, you may also be
>relocating whatever parasites or disease organisms it may be
>carrying, thereby risking transmission to a naïve population.  
>
>  The raccoon rabies outbreak that's been running up the
>eastern/northeastern US coast and is now heading west across PA & OH,
> for the past 25 years is the result of some not-so-insightful
>members of then-President Carter's staff/cabinet translocating
>raccoons(some carrying the raccoon strain of the rabies virus) from
>south GA to VA, because they 'missed'  coon-hunting.
>
>   
>
>  Depending upon season, you may orphan young which may or may not be
>able to survive without the care of the relocated animal.
>
>  And last, but not least, you may just be dumping your  problem
>animal onto someone else and creating problems for them.
>
>  In some states, there are statutes(though I doubt that they are
>rigorously enforced) prohibiting relocation/translocation of wildlife
>species.
>
>   
>
>  I understand that not everyone is comfortable with terminating
>problem animals - even vermin, like squirrels - in a quick humane
>manner,  but it's a preferable solution to trapping and relocating.  
>Trapping and relocation may assuage your own personal feelings of
>guilt, but it's not the right thing to do.
>
>   
>
>  Properly prepared, squirrel, rabbit, groundhog, raccoon, etc. are
>quite tasty, and very nutritious - especially if they've been eating
>all the fruits of your labors.
>
>   
>
>  Lucky Pittman
>
>   
>
>  From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
>[mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jay Cutts
>  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:17 PM
>  To: North American Fruit Explorers
>  Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pear Thief
>
>   
>
>  I sometimes live-trap the offending squirrels who have learned a
>naughty behavior and relocate them some miles away. I assume other
>squirrels will move in to take their place but they haven't learned
>the bad habits yet.
>
>
>
>Regards, Jay Jay CuttsDirector, Cutts Graduate ReviewsLead Author,
>Barron's Test Prep Publications800-353-4898 day or eve, 7 days(In NM,
>505-281-0684) 
>  On 8/25/2010 1:18 PM, Robert Bruns wrote: 
>
>  I've had squirrels chew through green apricots to get to the pits. 
>They are probably after the pips in your pears.  Once one squirrel
>does it, all the other squirrels see it and do the same, stripping
>even a large tree in a few days.
>
>   
>
>  Fred
>
>  On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)
><Sam.Brungardt at state.mn.us> wrote:
>
>
>
>  Caren, squirrels can carry amazingly large fruit, even on power
>lines.  I think they're your thieves. -- Sam
>
>   
>
>  From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
>[mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Caren Kirk 
>
>
>  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:09 PM
>
>  To: North American Fruit Explorers
>
>  Subject: [NAFEX] Pear Thief 
>
>   
>
>  Out of interest, could anyone suggest what would be stealing small
>pears off my Flemish Beaty in July before they've fully grown and
>ripened? It's a small, young tree that I planyed last year that set
>about 8-10 small fruit. However something came and took them at the
>beginning of July. There were absolutely no signs of damage to the
>tree and absolutely no trace of the pears.
>
>   
>
>  Animalwise we have quite a family of squirrels in the area but it
>seems to me that they would be too big for a squirrel to carry off.
>We have the odd raccoon, but the tree is too spindly to hold that
>kind of weight without branch damage. My kids show no interest in my
>fruit until it's on a plate in front of them, and they know better.
>As do the neighbours.
>
>   
>
>  Any ideas so I can work out a strategy to protect them for next
>year?
>
>   
>
>  Caren Kirk
>
>  St. Jerome, QC
>
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