[NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 60, Issue 34 ( Airlayering Question / Anthony Z4)

Anthony Curcio apc at vassolinc.com
Mon Jan 21 13:50:39 EST 2008


Airlayering Question.
We have found a great native Mulberry tree that my son and
I use to make jelly. We are concerned that something may
happen to this tree and we would like to preserve this line.
I thought Airlayering may be a good way to start new shoots.
Any input as to best method and time ?
We are in Nth. W. IL. Z4
Thank you, Anthony

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>   1. Persistent leaves (Steve)
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>   4. Scale on Citrus (Doreen Howard)
>   5. Re: Persistent leaves (tanis cuff)
>   6. Re: Scale on Citrus (Bob Sorenson)
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> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:50:38 -0500
> From: Steve <sdw12986 at aol.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Persistent leaves
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I've decided to copy this into a new subject rather than reply to the
> old subject as I had planned.....
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> tanis cuff wrote:
>> Due to the late summer heavy rains here (s.WI), some roses & pears & 
>> apples had late growth and then leaves which refused to drop for the 
>> winter.  One of the worst is my M7 apple rootstocks, in a nursery which I 
>> planted for topworking in spring 08.  They are still leafy, even tho the 
>> leaves ARE all brown.  I'd always assumed that persistant leaves were a 
>> sign that wood didn't harden off properly for winter.   So, do I spend 
>> the time to collect scionwood for use on these M7s?  Can I hope to find 
>> enough healthy wood on these rootstocks next spring, or would scion 
>> collection and then the grafting be a big waste of time?
> I missed your message when you first wrote it but I'll reply anyway.
> I used to worry when my trees did that. My apples especially, would
> often not harden off at the tip of the new growth and the leaves would
> remain into winter. I used to assume those tips would be killed over the
> winter but, in the spring, new leaves would emerge, even from the
> terminal bud. They would grow even after several winter days colder than
> 30 below zero. Of course, I grow cultivars appropriate  for the climate
> and they are on  seedling  root stock, not M7.
>
> Something new happened to my trees this fall/winter. We had near normal
> fall temperatures but avoided an actual frost until the end of October
> (A new record for my yard!)  From there, the temperatures continued
> slowly down and I thought we eased into winter rather gently. I was
> thinking the trees had plenty of time to fully harden off before the
> below zero temperatures came.
> Well, in December, I realized that the trees did not loose most of their
> leaves. Probably the worst were my Nova pear (grafted onto a Mountain
> Ash) and my Honeygold apple grafted on who knows what. Those 2 trees
> still had nearly 100% of their leaves on the tree. Those leaves had
> turned a dark brown to black but they were still hanging on. Since then
> we've had some heavy wind. Gusts over 50 MPH several time one day last
> week. That blew off a good number of those leaves but many still hang on.
> At this point, I'm not real worried and expect the trees to be OK in the
> spring. I sure wonder what made all of those leaves hold on though.
>
> Steve in the Adirondacks (Zone 4 on the map, zone 3 in real life)
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:32:05 -0600
> From: mIEKAL aND <dtv at mwt.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I just received a good number of Swenson grape cuttings & I'm
> wondering if I need to keep these in a refrigerator or can they go on
> my porch (which is currently below 0 F)?
>
> thanks
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:30:42 -0600
> From: "Dr.O'Barr" <Topgun at Otelco.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I LIKE THE REFRIGERATOR BEST.
>
> TOPGUN
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> From: "mIEKAL aND" <dtv at mwt.net>
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> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:32 AM
> Subject: [NAFEX] Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU
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>>I just received a good number of Swenson grape cuttings & I'm
>> wondering if I need to keep these in a refrigerator or can they go on
>> my porch (which is currently below 0 F)?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> ~mIEKAL
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> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:48:12 -0600
> From: "Doreen Howard" <gardendiva at charter.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Scale on Citrus
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> I have a couple of kumquats planted in pots that I bring indoors for 
> winter and place under lights.  They usually flower and produce fruit. 
> This year, the plants have been inundated with scale.  I've sprayed with 
> clove-rosemary oil several times.  The oil knocks the infestation back, 
> but it reappears soon.  Since these plants are indoors, and I'm basically 
> an organic gardener, can anyone suggestion another non-toxic battle plan? 
> I've already lost one plant to scale, and now several houseplants have 
> scale, too.
> Doreen Howard
> WI-IL Border, Zone 4b, where it's snowing AGAIN
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> From: tanis cuff <tanistanis at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Persistent leaves
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> I got an off-list reply from someone in s.WI (practically a neighbor) who 
> sees the same thing w/ M7. And Dennis N's post, from just south of here. 
> Yes I've noticed TIPS of branches often holding onto leaves, and surviving 
> just fine, but I'd never seen leaves hang onto most of the branch length. 
> And besides the extreme August rain, we also had unusual autumn weather. 
> But due to the guidance of NAFEXlisters,  I'll put worries aside and will 
> be grafting more apples this spring.  (Spring?! Ha!  Five degrees & 
> snowing today!)  Thanks, all.
>
> Interesting about the Nova pear.  I've also seen it be stubborn about 
> finishing the season.  Yet it's one of the hardier pears.
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:50:38 -0500
>> From: sdw12986
>> To: nafex
>> Subject: [NAFEX] Persistent leaves
>>
>>
>> tanis cuff wrote:
>>> Due to the late summer heavy rains here (s.WI), some roses & pears & 
>>> apples had late growth....
>
> Steve wrote:
>> I missed your message when you first wrote it but I'll reply anyway.
>> I used to worry when my trees did that. My apples especially, would
>> often not harden off at the tip of the new growth and the leaves would
>> remain into winter. I used to assume those tips would be killed over the
>> winter but, in the spring, new leaves would emerge, even from the
>> terminal bud. They would grow even after several winter days colder than
>> 30 below zero. Of course, I grow cultivars appropriate for the climate
>> and they are on seedling root stock, not M7.
>>
>> Something new happened to my trees this fall/winter. We had near normal
>> fall temperatures but avoided an actual frost until the end of October
>> (A new record for my yard!) From there, the temperatures continued
>> slowly down and I thought we eased into winter rather gently. I was
>> thinking the trees had plenty of time to fully harden off before the
>> below zero temperatures came.
>> Well, in December, I realized that the trees did not loose most of their
>> leaves. Probably the worst were my Nova pear (grafted onto a Mountain
>> Ash) and my Honeygold apple grafted on who knows what. Those 2 trees
>> still had nearly 100% of their leaves on the tree. Those leaves had
>> turned a dark brown to black but they were still hanging on. Since then
>> we've had some heavy wind. Gusts over 50 MPH several time one day last
>> week. That blew off a good number of those leaves but many still hang on.
>> At this point, I'm not real worried and expect the trees to be OK in the
>> spring. I sure wonder what made all of those leaves hold on though.
>>
>> Steve in the Adirondacks (Zone 4 on the map, zone 3 in real life)
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:51:50 -0700 (MST)
> From: Bob Sorenson <bobso at wacad.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Scale on Citrus
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> Doreen, I have an Algerian tangerine and a Myers lemon and the only way I 
> have found to get rid of the scale is to take some time each day and go 
> over every leaf and stem and remove them by hand.
> If it seems tedious then try listening to some Chopin...
>
> bob sorenson
> Z5, Utah
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doreen Howard <gardendiva at charter.net>
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Monday, January 21 2008 09:45 AM
> Subject: [NAFEX] Scale on Citrus
> I have a couple of kumquats planted in pots that I
> bring indoors for winter and place under lights.  They usually flower and
> produce fruit.  This year, the plants have been inundated with scale.
> I've sprayed with clove-rosemary oil several times.  The oil knocks the
> infestation back, but it reappears soon.  Since these plants are indoors,
> and I'm basically an organic gardener, can anyone suggestion another 
> non-toxic
> battle plan?  I've already lost one plant to scale, and now several
> houseplants have scale, too.
> Doreen Howard
> WI-IL Border, Zone 4b, where it's snowing
> AGAIN
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> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:17:40 EST
> From: Jwlehman at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Grape Cuttings from Geneva PGRU
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> In a message dated 1/21/2008 8:29:03 AM Central Standard Time, dtv at mwt.net
> writes:
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>> I just received a good number of Swenson grape cuttings &I'm
>> wondering if I need to keep these in a refrigerator or can they go on
>> my porch (which is currently below 0 F)?
>
> Lon Rombough needs answer this question as he is the expert. However, 
> below
> zero can damage buds and I would place in the refrig. Also if it gets too 
> warm
> the buds can break dormancy reducing the graft success rate.
>
> Jerry
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> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:33:36 -0500
> From: Ginda Fisher <list at ginda.us>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Scale on Citrus
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I had scale on a myers lemon, and I meticulously removed the scales for
> months before I sprayed it with dormant oil (right after removing every 
> bug
> I could see.)  I haven't seen any scale on that plant since, and it's been
> a couple of years.
> ___
> Ginda
>
> ...... Original Message .......
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:51:50 -0700 (MST) Bob Sorenson <bobso at wacad.org>
> wrote:
>>Doreen, I have an Algerian tangerine and a Myers lemon and the only way I
> have found to get rid of the scale is to take some time each day and go
> over every leaf and stem and remove them by hand.
>>If it seems tedious then try listening to some Chopin...
>>
>>bob sorenson
>>Z5, Utah
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Doreen Howard <gardendiva at charter.net>
>>To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Cc:
>>Date: Monday, January 21 2008 09:45 AM
>>Subject: [NAFEX] Scale on Citrus
>>I have a couple of kumquats planted in pots that I bring indoors for
> winter and place under lights. They usually flower and produce fruit. This
> year, the plants have been inundated with scale. I've sprayed with
> clove-rosemary oil several times. The oil knocks the infestation back, but
> it reappears soon. Since these plants are indoors, and I'm basically an
> organic gardener, can anyone suggestion another non-toxic battle plan? 
> I've
> already lost one plant to scale, and now several houseplants have scale,
> too.
>>Doreen Howard
>>WI-IL Border, Zone 4b, where it's snowing AGAIN
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