[NAFEX] Ribes odoratum (Clove or Buffalo Currant)

Mark and Piper piper33 at verizon.net
Fri Jan 5 08:50:54 EST 2007


Lon,
Both Ribes odoratum and Ribes aureum have a listed variety called golden currant. Are these two different things? The one I know as golden currant was growing wild in the mountains east of Boise.
-Mark
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lon J. Rombough 
  To: North American Fruit Explorers 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Ribes odoratum (Clove or Buffalo Currant)


  I got Crandall in the 1960's and grew it for many years by itself and got full crops with no other currants around. I took stock of that plant to Weeks' Berry Nursery in Salem, Oregon about 1980 and they have been selling it for quite some time. They are wholesale only, so you would have to find a garden center that would buy from them. They have a website.
  I don't have it any more as I remove the row for a building and the transplanted plants died due to a mishap.
  -Lon Rombough
  Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden Writers Association "Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
  On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:48 PM, William C. Garthright wrote:

  I appreciate all the comments about these native black currants (I've 
  also seen them listed as Ribes aureum, var. 'Crandall'), but there are 
  two things I wasn't able to determine last year (before I joined the 
  NAFEX list). I planted some of these anyway, but could I get some help 
  on these questions, please?

  1. For best fruit production, do you prune them like other Ribes 
  (remove three year and older stems)?

  2. I received nothing but conflicting information about these plants. 
  Several nurseries told me that the 'Crandall' variety of /Ribes 
  odoratum/ (clove currant, buffalo currant, golden currant, etc.) would 
  set fruit with just one plant. But the Missouri Botanical Garden says 
  Ribes odoratum is dioecious, requiring both a male and a female plant to 
  set fruit. Apparently, this comes from the reference work, "A Manual of 
  Woody Landscape Plants" by Michael A. Dirr.

  Does anyone here know for sure? Have you seen separate male and female 
  plants? Or perhaps it's dioecious, but the female plants will still set 
  "some" fruit without a male?

  At least one nursery told me that "cross-pollination" would increase 
  fruit production, and that a Ribes nigrum type of black currant would 
  work for that (and maybe other Ribes species?). If that's true, 
  I suppose all these nurseries could be seeing fruit from Ribes odoratum 
  because they have other Ribes planted nearby...

  I ended up buying from two different nurseries, but I was totally 
  confused by then. So I planted 6 of the 'Crandall' currants and one 
  seedling clove currant, just in case. But, of course, I don't know if 
  the seedling currant is male or female, or even if they really ARE 
  dioecious. Anyone know for sure?

  Thanks much,

  Bill

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