[NAFEX] Re: VEG/Rubus control
tanis cuff
tanistanis at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 1 11:18:18 EDT 2002
Yes, that's another thing the study is doing-- comparing costs and benefits.
The good news is that, if I understand correctly, the cattle gained more
weight than was expected, even in a droughty summer !
tc
>From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom at hevanet.com>
>Reply-To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
>To: <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Re: VEG/Rubus control
>Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 07:57:13 -0700
>
>They might do the trick, though for me the time and expense of fencing the
>place, providing water for the cattle, etc. would be prohibitive. Goats
>work well with the blackberries here. The trick is to mow the plants once
>so that the clumps all produce new, green shoots that the goats love and
>will keep eating. Same problems as with the cattle, though.
>-Lon Rombough
>
>From: "tanis cuff" <tanistanis at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
>Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 14:40:36 +0000
>To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: [NAFEX] Re: VEG/Rubus control
>
>
>A little off the main vein for NAFEX, but re Rubus as an invasive genus----
>There is an experiment being run by our UW & Extension in southwest
>Wisconsin, studying rotational grazing by scots highland cattle. A
>brousing-grazing breed. Turns out they really set back all our Rubus !
>Native red raspberries, black raspberries, & black berries all will fill up
>a woods if not subjected to grazing, mowing, burning, other disturbance. I
>don't think they are as much an issue as the Evergreen & Himalayan b.b.s.
>And I don't know if the same impact could be got from grazing in your
>climate. But maybe rotational grazing is worth learning about.
>
>Tanis Cuff
>
>
> >From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom at hevanet.com>
> >Reply-To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> >To: <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Subject: Re: [NAFEX] VEGETERIAN
> >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:12:27 -0700
> >
> >Some crabapple species are invasive, and though I see volunteer apples of
> >the cultivated species popping up here and there, here in Oregon, I
> >wouldn't
> >call them invasive. The Himalaya blackberry IS invasive here, though the
> >fruit is quite good. The Evergreen blackberry is also invasive here.
> >Problem is, anything that might be brought in to control the invasive
> >types,
> >(insects and diseases) would also attack the cultivated types, and they
>are
> >big business here, so the invaders keep spreading. Something that can
> >layer
> >itself 20 feet from the original plant, come up from any root piece left
>in
> >the ground, and spread seedlings anywhere birds go HAS to be considered
> >invasive.
> >-Lon Rombough
> >Grapes, writing, consulting, more, plus word on The Grape Grower at
> >http://www.bunchgrapes.com
> >
> >From: "Mike Levine" <mlevine at umich.edu>
> >Reply-To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:35:43 -0400
> >To: <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Subject: Re: [NAFEX] VEGETERIAN
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Denny Davidson <mailto:ddavidson at mwci.net>
> >To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> >Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:43 AM
> >Subject: [NAFEX] VEGETERIAN
> >
> >You asked...
> >
> >ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT PROPIGATING APPLES ETC MAY NOT BE ETHICAL? THAT IS
> >SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T CONSIDERED.. WOW...DENNIS DAVIDSON ZONE 5 N.
> >ILLINOIS
> >
> >I haven't found apples to be invasive in my area, although I suppose it's
> >possible somewhere else given the right set of environmental factors.
>You
> >have to know your own home place for what are weeds and what are not. In
> >my
> >area (and many others) Autumn Olive/Russian Olive (Eleagnus spp.),
>European
> >Cranberry Bush (Viburnum opulus), and Japanese Barberry (Berberis
> >thunbergii) have edible fruits and are all generally agreed to be
>invasive
> >species. I suppose Multiflora rose (Rosa Multiflora) is edible too,
> >although a little bitter compared to roses with larger hips. There are
> >also
> >the Himalayan blackberries all over the west coast and other places.
>Lots
> >of people don't mind these, but I know many west coast gardeners and
> >ecologists who battle it and insist its a big problem. Besides, the
> >cultivated varieties of blackberries really do taste better anyway and
>are
> >usually not quite as agressive. Someone also had also mentioned
>something
> >about the rootstocks of bradford pears have been spreading around the New
> >England States...
> >
> >Mike Levine
> >Ann Arbor, MI
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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