[Homestead] Vegetarian --well house door

bob ford bobford79 at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 17 14:03:03 EST 2008


Sage , I meant to say earlier that I looked at your blog.  You husband did a really good job on that oversized door for the well house.  You did well to pick up those hinges when you sdid.  I picked up a pair from an old commercial walk in freezer door that are huge for some later use.  ....bobford

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--- On Mon, 11/17/08, eureka at hctc.net <eureka at hctc.net> wrote:

> From: eureka at hctc.net <eureka at hctc.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Vegetarian diet was Fennel
> To: homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 11:54 AM
> Ray, I encourage everyone to eat what's best for them. 
> Some folks, like you and I, may have already discovered 
> this even though we eat differently. But I think
> there's a 
> lot of unhealthy people out there eating junk who still 
> need to discover a healthier way of life. I don't judge
> 
> people who choose to eat meat and respect what all the 
> homestead folks are doing raising their own meat or 
> supplementing with hunting. I may end up doing this 
> someday for my dogs and cats, who, by the way, aren't 
> subjected to vegetarian diets. I cook turkey for them 
> using the Pitcairn dog recipes, and buy dried food for the 
> cats. Finicky guest are always welcome to eat the with the 
> dogs instead <g>.
> 
> I think compared to most vegetarians, I need a higher 
> amount of protein in my diet. So I'm kind of a
> carnivorous 
> vegetarian. And if you consider I am a botanist eating 
> plants, you will see we really aren't that different
> <g>
> 
> --Sage
> 
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:15:01 -0500
>   rayzentz at aim.com wrote:
> > 
> > I am the last one to criticise the dietary choices and
> 
> >needs of people, whether they are because of health 
> >issues, or personal preferences. I haven't followed
> this 
> >earlier part of the thread, but for me, I prefer most
> of 
> >my veggies processed...? In other words, I AM a
> carnivore
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Veggies are food..., for food.
> > 
> > Unlike you, Sage, I actually have a more difficult
> time 
> >with high vegetable meals.?? I do like an occasional 
> >salad, and corn and carrots, and I have learned to eat 
> >broccoli, but a lot of other greens just run right on 
> >through.?? Since developing diabetes, Which I control 
> >through diet, I have cut down on breads and other grain
> 
> >based foods, and eat more of the greens that I can 
> >tolerate, but I am, and ever will be, a
> "meatasaurus"
> > 
> > Ray
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> >From: eureka at hctc.net
> > To: bobford79 at yahoo.com; homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:33 am
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] Vegetarian diet was Fennel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bob, I've been a vegetarian almost my entire life,
> from 
> > the early beginings of spitting out Gerber baby meat 
> > through discovering in an allergy test at age 20 I was
> 
> > allergic to all meat except turkey. I already new I
> was 
> > deathly allergic to seafood and shellfish growing up 
> >from 
> > some traumatic eating experiences. I have not eaten
> any 
> > meat in thirty years, when I gave up turkey. I do eat 
> >eggs 
> > (that's why we raise chickens) and dairy. I'm
> called a 
> > lacto-ovo vegetarian.
> > 
> > Dairy tends to congest me, so I try to limit it in 
> > quantity, but being married to a Cheesehead,
> that's 
> >nearly 
> > impossible <g>
> > 
> > There are a lot of misconceptions about vegetarianism.
> > 1. We are rabbits: The worst is when I go to long 
> > conferences and by checking "vegetarian
> option" this 
> >means 
> > I will be trying to beat everyone else to the cheese 
> >cube 
> > platter and living on salads like a bunny, basically 
> > starving.
> > 
> > 2. We can't tolerate spices: Another one is
> vegetarians 
> > must like bland food (not true!). I remember a 
> > particularly embarrasing American Airlines dinner
> flight 
> > (back when they still served food) and my
> "vegetarian 
> > option" was brought out in a special silver
> chaffing 
> >dish 
> > like I was the Queen of England, and ever eye was on
> me. 
> > Taking the lid off, I discovered it to be a glump of 
> > steamed brown rice and a glump of steamed barley with 
> > nothing else! (I had the feeling this was the meal you
> 
> >got 
> > if you checked diabetic, salt-free, Kosher, whatever).
> 
> > Everyone else was eating spagetti & meatballs,
> salad, 
> >and 
> > peanut butter cookies. I could've eaten this sans 
> > meatballs. So many people felt sorry for me they
> started 
> > passing me parts of their food.
> > 
> > 3: Since we don't eat meat, we must not need
> protien: 
> > Wrong! We get hungry just like everyone else. Getting 
> > enough protein is very important.
> > 
> > I don't know what kind of vegetarian food
> you've tried 
> > that didn't taste good. I am considered by all my 
> >friends 
> > as one of the best cooks they know, and I've
> followed 
> > recipes for so many years I can wing it intuitively.
> My 
> > most favorite coo
> > kbooks (all from famous vegetarian 
> > restuarnts) are:
> > 
> > Moosewood Cookbook (early hippie, easy to make, kind
> of 
> > heavy on the diary but tasty stuff)
> > New Recipes from the Moosewood Restaurant (focuses on 
> > different ethnic cuisine recipes)
> >Field of Greens (One of the best, more involved, but 
> > everything delicious!)
> > Millenium Cookbook (vegan upscale, very involved, but 
> > delicious and worth it--I use this for special dinners
> 
> > where I can spend a day in preparation)
> > 
> >For protein, I either use complimentary combinations of
> 
> > grains and legumes based on Recipes for a Small Planet
> 
> > (boring recipes, but good nutrition ideas) or buy the 
> > following (mostly found in the frozen food
> section/cool 
> > dairy) which are lower in fat and cholesterol than
> meat:
> > 
> > Quorn www.quorn.com (my favorite, made from
> mycoprotein 
> > ie. fungus and tastes like chicken-patties, cutlets, 
> > tenders)
> > Morningstar Farms www.seeveggiesdifferently.com (steak
> 
> > strips (husband's favorite), chicken strips,
> sausage 
> > patties, links, fake bacon, bratworst and Italian 
> > sausages)
> > Boca www.bocaburger.com (most meatlike burgers)
> > LightLife 
> > http://www.lightlife.com/product_category.jsp?c=deli 
> > (pepperoni, turkey, balogna, ham lunchmeat)
> > White Wave 
> >http://www.tofutown.net/index.php?sid=Products 
> > (wheat meat, tempe, seitan, baked tofu, tofu)
> > 
> > The main thing to know about veggie protein is most of
> 
> >it 
> > is already cooked and just needs reheating,
> overcooking 
> >it 
> > turns into rubber, so I add it last instead of first
> in 
> > recipes like stews, gumbo, etc.
> > 
> > There is *nothing* bland in most vegetarian's
> diets. 
> >Hope 
> > this helps you explore. We priced it out once and the 
> > veggie protein costs the same as meat. But check out
> the 
> > health stats on the websites and you can see the 
> >benefits.
> > 
> > --Sage
> > Way Out in Texas
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:19:34 -0800 (PST)
> >  bob ford <bobford79 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> If you don't mind; are you complete
> vegetarian?  do you 
> >>eat fish? or cheese?.  I really need to move away
> from 
> >>red meat.  Most vegetarian foods (except for fresh 
> >>produce) don't taste good
> > , in my experience ......bobford
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