From noguchiy at stanford.edu Mon Oct 6 13:57:28 2003 From: noguchiy at stanford.edu (Yuko Noguchi) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:57:28 -0700 Subject: [Cc-jp] message from Larry Lessig Message-ID: <005b01c38c33$4ee1afa0$6f8d0c80@ynoguchi> ???? ?????????Larry Lessig??????????????????????? ?????????????????????? ????? The Japanese iCommons project is for me personally the most exciting next stage of Creative Common's development. There is an extraordinary range of creative work in Japan, and I am eager that Creative Commons might help some find a different way to spread its creativity. I am also eager that we learn how best to carry the ideas of Creative Commons into a new context. While I feel that much about my ideas about Creative Commons got formed during the (very brief) five months that I was in Japan, I am certain that there is much more for me, and CC, to learn. I am grateful to Glocom for helping us continue this experiment, and I am very eager to return to Japan in December to see it launched. ????? ????iCommons?????????????????Creative Commons????? ?????????????????????????????????????? ????????????Creative Commons?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????? ???Creative Commons??????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????Creative Commons???? ?????????????????????????5???????????? ???????CC??????????)??????????????????? ??????Glocom????????????????????????????? ??????????12?????Creative Commons?????????????? ???????????????????????? ????? ?????????????????????????????Wiki??????? ?????????????????????????Glocom?????????? ?????????????????????????????????????? ??????10?????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????? ????????????? ??????????????????????? From tomoaki_watanabe_cc at hotmail.com Mon Oct 6 16:08:48 2003 From: tomoaki_watanabe_cc at hotmail.com (Watanabe Tomoaki) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:08:48 +0000 Subject: [Cc-jp] Wiki Message-ID: ????????(T)??? ?????CreativeCommons????????????????????????? ????????????????Wiki?????????????????Matt? ????????????????????????????????? >From: "Yuko Noguchi" >Reply-To: cc-jp at lists.ibiblio.org >To: >Subject: [Cc-jp] message from Larry Lessig >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:57:28 -0700 >?????????????????????????????Wiki?????? ? >?????????? _________________________________________________________________ ??? PC ???????? MSN ??? http://englishtown.msn.co.jp/ From noguchiy at stanford.edu Mon Oct 6 17:09:47 2003 From: noguchiy at stanford.edu (Yuko Noguchi) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:09:47 -0700 Subject: [Cc-jp] Wiki References: Message-ID: <009301c38c4e$2ce6d950$6f8d0c80@ynoguchi> ?????????? ????????????????????? ??????????????????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Watanabe Tomoaki" To: Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: [Cc-jp] Wiki > ????????(T)??? > > ?????CreativeCommons???????????????????????? ? > ????????????????Wiki?????????????????Matt ? > ????????????????????????????????? > > > >From: "Yuko Noguchi" > >Reply-To: cc-jp at lists.ibiblio.org > >To: > >Subject: [Cc-jp] message from Larry Lessig > >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:57:28 -0700 > > >?????????????????????????????Wiki????? ? > ? > >?????????? > > _________________________________________________________________ > ??? PC ???????? MSN ??? http://englishtown.msn.co.jp/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Cc-jp mailing list > Cc-jp at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-jp > From Gen.Kanai at jp.sonystyle.com Mon Oct 6 23:18:33 2003 From: Gen.Kanai at jp.sonystyle.com (Gen.Kanai) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:18:33 +0900 Subject: [Cc-jp] message from Larry Lessig Message-ID: <87C4569803F5134EADFDD1281ABACD6C02D5E8E4@STYLE-MAIL> ??????? Gen??? I hope to have a chance to meet Larry when he comes to Japan in December. Sincerely, Gen http://www.kanai.net/weblog/ -----Original Message----- From: Yuko Noguchi [mailto:noguchiy at stanford.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:57 AM To: cc-jp at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [Cc-jp] message from Larry Lessig ???? ?????????Larry Lessig??????????????????????? ?????????????????????? ????? The Japanese iCommons project is for me personally the most exciting next stage of Creative Common's development. There is an extraordinary range of creative work in Japan, and I am eager that Creative Commons might help some find a different way to spread its creativity. I am also eager that we learn how best to carry the ideas of Creative Commons into a new context. While I feel that much about my ideas about Creative Commons got formed during the (very brief) five months that I was in Japan, I am certain that there is much more for me, and CC, to learn. I am grateful to Glocom for helping us continue this experiment, and I am very eager to return to Japan in December to see it launched. ????? ????iCommons?????????????????Creative Commons????? ?????????????????????????????????????? ????????????Creative Commons?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????? ???Creative Commons??????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????Creative Commons???? ?????????????????????????5???????????? ???????CC??????????)??????????????????? ??????Glocom????????????????????????????? ??????????12?????Creative Commons?????????????? ???????????????????????? ????? ?????????????????????????????Wiki??????? ?????????????????????????Glocom?????????? ?????????????????????????????????????? ??????10?????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????? ????????????? ??????????????????????? From spiegel at alles.or.jp Wed Oct 22 00:27:44 2003 From: spiegel at alles.or.jp (Yasuhiro ARAKAWA) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:27:44 +0900 Subject: [Cc-jp] =?iso-2022-jp?b?GyRCJTMlYiVzJTo+WhsoQiAbJEJLXUx1JVAbKEI=?= =?iso-2022-jp?b?GyRCITwlOCVnJXMbKEIyLjA=?= Message-ID: <20031022131157.4B53.SPIEGEL@alles.or.jp> ??????????????????????????????????? ??? ?????????????2.0????????????????????? ?????Mozilla/Firebird ?????????????????????? ????????(??????????????????????) ???? ???? Content-Type ? text/html ??????????????????? IE ???????HTML???????????? (?????) ?????? ????????????????????????????????? ??????? 12/1 ????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????? -- ?? ??(ARAKAWA, Yasuhiro) HUAA-59, Club-HUAA Home http://www.alles.or.jp/~spiegel/ mailto:spiegel at alles.or.jp Club-HUAA(SETI at home Group) http://homepage3.nifty.com/spiegel/seti at home/ From taiyo at glocom.ac.jp Wed Oct 22 20:56:05 2003 From: taiyo at glocom.ac.jp (Motohiro Tsuchiya) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:56:05 +0900 Subject: [Cc-jp] =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJTMlYiVzJTo+WhsoQiA=?= =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCS11MdSVQITwlOCVnJXMbKEI=?=2.0 In-Reply-To: <20031022131157.4B53.SPIEGEL@alles.or.jp> References: <20031022131157.4B53.SPIEGEL@alles.or.jp> Message-ID: ????? ?????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????? At 1:27 PM +0900 03.10.22, Yasuhiro ARAKAWA wrote: >?????????????2.0????????????????????? >?????Mozilla/Firebird ?????????????????????? >????????(??????????????????????) ???? >???? Content-Type ? text/html ??????????????????? >IE ???????HTML???????????? (?????) ?????? >????????????????????????????????? From spiegel at alles.or.jp Wed Oct 22 23:39:08 2003 From: spiegel at alles.or.jp (Yasuhiro ARAKAWA) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:39:08 +0900 Subject: [Cc-jp] =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJTMlYiVzJTo+WhsoQiAbJEJLXUx1JVAbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCITwlOCVnJXMbKEIyLjA=?= In-Reply-To: References: <20031022131157.4B53.SPIEGEL@alles.or.jp> Message-ID: <20031023123212.4B58.SPIEGEL@alles.or.jp> ?????? ??? From: Motohiro Tsuchiya Date: 2003/10/23 09:56:05 Subject: Re: [Cc-jp] ????? ???????2.0 > ????? > > ?????????????????????????????????? > ??????????????????? ??????? ???????????? ????????????????????????? blog ??????? ? Gnomoradio.org ????????????????????????? ???????????? (^^;) http://blog.japan.cnet.com/lessig/archives/000774.html http://gnomoradio.org/ -- ?? ??(ARAKAWA, Yasuhiro) HUAA-59, Club-HUAA Home http://www.alles.or.jp/~spiegel/ mailto:spiegel at alles.or.jp Club-HUAA(SETI at home Group) http://homepage3.nifty.com/spiegel/seti at home/ From noguchiy at stanford.edu Thu Oct 23 00:19:27 2003 From: noguchiy at stanford.edu (Yuko Noguchi) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:19:27 -0700 Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?UmU6IFtDYy1qcF0gGyRCJTMlYiVzJTo+WhsoQiAbJEJLXRsoQg==?= =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCTHUlUCE8JTglZyVzGyhCMi4w?= References: <20031022131157.4B53.SPIEGEL@alles.or.jp> Message-ID: <005101c3991c$d9a83780$6f8d0c80@ynoguchi> ????????????? ?????????????????????? > ??????? 12/1 ????????????????????????? > ??????????????????????????????????? > ?????????????????????? ?????????????????? ???????Lessig????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ??????????????? ??????????????Lessig????????????? ??????????????????????? From spiegel at alles.or.jp Thu Oct 23 07:12:28 2003 From: spiegel at alles.or.jp (Yasuhiro ARAKAWA) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:12:28 +0900 Subject: [Cc-jp] 12/1 =?iso-2022-jp?b?GyRCJE4lUSE8JUYlIxsoQg==?= (Re: =?iso-2022-jp?b?GyRCJTMlYiVzJTo+WhsoQiAbJEJLXUx1JVAhPCU4GyhC?= =?iso-2022-jp?b?GyRCJWclcxsoQjIuMCk=?= In-Reply-To: <005101c3991c$d9a83780$6f8d0c80@ynoguchi> References: <20031022131157.4B53.SPIEGEL@alles.or.jp> <005101c3991c$d9a83780$6f8d0c80@ynoguchi> Message-ID: <20031023200936.4B62.SPIEGEL@alles.or.jp> ?????? ??? From: Yuko Noguchi Date: 2003/10/23 13:19:27 Subject: Re: [Cc-jp] ????? ???????2.0 > ?????????????????? > ???????Lessig????????????????????????? > ?????????????????????????????? > ??????????????? > ??????????????Lessig????????????? > ??????????????????????? ?????? Adam ??????????????????????????? ????????? ???????12/1 ???????????????????????? -- ?? ??(ARAKAWA, Yasuhiro) HUAA-59, Club-HUAA Home http://www.alles.or.jp/~spiegel/ mailto:spiegel at alles.or.jp Club-HUAA(SETI at home Group) http://homepage3.nifty.com/spiegel/seti at home/ From yama at flowerlounge.com Thu Oct 23 11:11:06 2003 From: yama at flowerlounge.com (yama) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:11:06 +0900 Subject: [Cc-jp] =?iso-2022-jp?b?GyRCJV8hPCVGJSMlcyUwJEokSRsoQg==?= In-Reply-To: <005101c3991c$d9a83780$6f8d0c80@ynoguchi> References: <20031022131157.4B53.SPIEGEL@alles.or.jp> <005101c3991c$d9a83780$6f8d0c80@ynoguchi> Message-ID: <20031024000120.844B.YAMA@flowerlounge.com> ????Copy Me/Remix Me???????????? On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:19:27 -0700 "Yuko Noguchi" san iwaku: > > ??????? 12/1 ?????????????????? ???????????????Adam???????????????????? ????????????????????????????? ???????????? > ?????????????????? ?????????????? ????????? ???????????????Copy Me/Remix Me?CD ??????T????????????????? ??????????????????????? ????????????? #?????????ML????????????? #???????????????????? /** Ask not what the net can do for you, Ask what you can do for the net. Seiichi YAMAGATA a.k.a. FlowerLounge mailto:yama at flowerlounge.com http://www.flowerlounge.com/ */ From yama at flowerlounge.com Thu Oct 23 12:10:10 2003 From: yama at flowerlounge.com (yama) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:10:10 +0900 Subject: [Cc-jp] =?iso-2022-jp?b?GyRCJV8hPCVGJSMlcyUwISEkPSROGyhCMg==?= Message-ID: <20031024010520.844F.YAMA@flowerlounge.com> ????? ?????N?????????????? ???????????????? ?????????????????? ??N??????????(12/1)??????? ????????????????????? ???N???????????? ????????????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?????CODE?????????????????? meets CODE???? ??????????????????????? #??????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ??????????????????Adam??? ????????????????????? Adam??????????????????? ?????????????????????? /** Ask not what the net can do for you, Ask what you can do for the net. Seiichi YAMAGATA a.k.a. FlowerLounge mailto:yama at flowerlounge.com http://www.flowerlounge.com/ */ From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Fri Oct 24 05:12:46 2003 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:12:46 +0900 Subject: [Cc-jp] Meeting with prof. Lessig Message-ID: Hi. cc-jp mailing list members need an explanation and apology about the confusion over the meeting with Professor Lessig. I am Adam Peake and Executive Research Fellow at GLOCOM (Tokyo.) My apologies for writing this message mainly in English. You can always reply to me in Japanese. Professor Lessig will visit Tokyo, November 30 to December 7. He has a very busy schedule. We are planning to hold a meeting with Professor Lessig at GLOCOM on Monday, December 1, from 6:30 PM. It will be an opportunity for the people who have been working on creative commons Japan to meet Professor Lessig and to talk about the project. Last Friday (Oct. 17), I wrote to a group of people who have been working on the creative commons licenses, etc., and told them about the planned meeting. Space for the meeting at GLOCOM is limited so I wanted to give people who have been working on the project the first chance to say if they would like to join. I hope all of you who feel you have worked on creative commons Japan received my email last Friday. It is completely my fault if I missed anyone. As well as limited space, we also want to have a discussion with Professor Lessig, so we cannot take so many people. I do not want to ask him to give a lecture to a large audience. Our meeting limit is 20 to 25 people. I wish it could be more, but it is not possible. The meeting will be in English and we are not planning to hire an interpreter. Please let me know if you would like to attend on December 1. Please understand that the meeting will be to discuss creative commons. Our plan for the evening is to begin with a few words from Professor Lessig about creative commons, how things are going, etc. Then perhaps an introduction from the Japan team on the state of the project in Japan. So he can hear from you about issues here. Then moving on to general questions and answers and discussion about creative commons in the US, Japan, other countries, the differences and problems, etc. We will also have a few drinks and snacks. Informal. I am sorry we cannot invite everyone on this mailing list, there are almost 70 subscribers. But if you would like to attend, please send me email , tell me who you are and what contribution you think you have made to creative commons Japan. My apologies for any confusion about the meeting. ???????????????????????????????????? ????GLOCOM?? 12?1???6:30? ???????????GLOCOM????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????20??25???????????????????????????????? Kind regards, Adam Adam Peake GLOCOM Tokyo -- From maskin0 at metamix.com Fri Oct 24 19:44:26 2003 From: maskin0 at metamix.com (Masaki Masuda) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:44:26 +0900 Subject: [Cc-jp] Meeting with prof. Lessig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00C2509A-067C-11D8-B5D0-000393A3735A@metamix.com> ???????????????????????? ???????????????????? ????????MTG????????????? ?????????????????????????????????? ?????CC-Jp???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????ML???? ;-)??? ???????????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???? ??????????????? maskin at metamix.com / 090-9310-2107 IM maski0 at aol.com / maskin0 at msn.com ????????????? ?METAMiX! maskin's Blog http://www.metamix.com/ ?GQ Japan ?PCVIEW???? http://www.pc-view.net/ ????????????10??????????? ?http://internet.impress.co.jp/im/ ?codeblog?????/????/????/??? ?http://www.metamix.com/code ????????????????????????????? ?http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/PrivacyReport ?HotWired Japan?blog??????? ?http://www.hotwired.co.jp/matrix/0305/ ?impress ??????????????CMS?????????????? ?http://internet.impress.co.jp/im/rakurakucms/ From christiane at creativecommons.org Tue Oct 28 08:01:56 2003 From: christiane at creativecommons.org (Christiane Asschenfeldt) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:01:56 +0100 Subject: [Cc-jp] =?utf-8?b?QVc6IENjLWpwIOKAmsOc4oCaw4bigJrDn+KAnMOH4oCa?= =?utf-8?b?w50sIDUgxaDCqiwgNCDCjeKAoA==?= In-Reply-To: <20031024160733.A1085201CB@happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu> Message-ID: <000f01c39d53$ac82b740$0301000a@jane> Christiane Asschenfeldt International Commons Coordinator Alte Schoenhauser Strasse 35 D-10119 Berlin, Germany +49.163.77.64.828 christiane at creativecommons.org www.creativecommons.org -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: cc-jp-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:cc-jp-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] Im Auftrag von cc-jp-request at lists.ibiblio.org Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Oktober 2003 18:08 An: cc-jp at lists.ibiblio.org Betreff: Cc-jp ?????, 5 ?, 4 ? Cc-jp ??????????????????????? cc-jp at lists.ibiblio.org WWW ??????????????? http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-jp ?????????????? help ?????????????? cc-jp-request at lists.ibiblio.org ????????????????????????? cc-jp-owner at lists.ibiblio.org ??????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????? "Re: Cc-jp ?????, XX ? XX ?" ?????: 1. ?????????2 (yama) 2. Meeting with prof. Lessig (Adam Peake) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:10:10 +0900 From: yama Subject: [Cc-jp] ?????????2 To: CC-jp Message-ID: <20031024010520.844F.YAMA at flowerlounge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" ????? ?????N?????????????? ???????????????? ?????????????????? ??N??????????(12/1)??????? ????????????????????? ???N???????????? ????????????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?????CODE?????????????????? meets CODE???? ??????????????????????? #??????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ??????????????????Adam??? ????????????????????? Adam??????????????????? ?????????????????????? /** Ask not what the net can do for you, Ask what you can do for the net. Seiichi YAMAGATA a.k.a. FlowerLounge mailto:yama at flowerlounge.com http://www.flowerlounge.com/ */ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:12:46 +0900 From: Adam Peake Subject: [Cc-jp] Meeting with prof. Lessig To: cc-jp at lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Hi. cc-jp mailing list members need an explanation and apology about the confusion over the meeting with Professor Lessig. I am Adam Peake and Executive Research Fellow at GLOCOM (Tokyo.) My apologies for writing this message mainly in English. You can always reply to me in Japanese. Professor Lessig will visit Tokyo, November 30 to December 7. He has a very busy schedule. We are planning to hold a meeting with Professor Lessig at GLOCOM on Monday, December 1, from 6:30 PM. It will be an opportunity for the people who have been working on creative commons Japan to meet Professor Lessig and to talk about the project. Last Friday (Oct. 17), I wrote to a group of people who have been working on the creative commons licenses, etc., and told them about the planned meeting. Space for the meeting at GLOCOM is limited so I wanted to give people who have been working on the project the first chance to say if they would like to join. I hope all of you who feel you have worked on creative commons Japan received my email last Friday. It is completely my fault if I missed anyone. As well as limited space, we also want to have a discussion with Professor Lessig, so we cannot take so many people. I do not want to ask him to give a lecture to a large audience. Our meeting limit is 20 to 25 people. I wish it could be more, but it is not possible. The meeting will be in English and we are not planning to hire an interpreter. Please let me know if you would like to attend on December 1. Please understand that the meeting will be to discuss creative commons. Our plan for the evening is to begin with a few words from Professor Lessig about creative commons, how things are going, etc. Then perhaps an introduction from the Japan team on the state of the project in Japan. So he can hear from you about issues here. Then moving on to general questions and answers and discussion about creative commons in the US, Japan, other countries, the differences and problems, etc. We will also have a few drinks and snacks. Informal. I am sorry we cannot invite everyone on this mailing list, there are almost 70 subscribers. But if you would like to attend, please send me email , tell me who you are and what contribution you think you have made to creative commons Japan. My apologies for any confusion about the meeting. ???????????????????????????????????? ????GLOCOM?? 12?1???6:30? ???????????GLOCOM????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????20??25???????????????????????????????? Kind regards, Adam Adam Peake GLOCOM Tokyo -- ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cc-jp mailing list Cc-jp at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-jp ??: Cc-jp ?????, 5 ?, 4 ? ********************************** From noguchiy at stanford.edu Tue Oct 28 22:33:54 2003 From: noguchiy at stanford.edu (Yuko Noguchi) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:33:54 -0800 Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?UmU6IFtDYy1qcF0gGyRCJV8hPCVGJSMlcyUwJEokSRsoQg==?= References: <20031022131157.4B53.SPIEGEL@alles.or.jp><005101c3991c$d9a83780$6f8d0c80@ynoguchi> <20031024000120.844B.YAMA@flowerlounge.com> Message-ID: <038601c39dcd$7b3fef70$3ed040ab@ynoguchi> ????? > ????Copy Me/Remix Me???????????? ??????????????????????? ???????????????????CD???????????? > ????????? > ???????????????Copy Me/Remix Me?CD > ??????T????????????????? > ??????????????????????? > ????????????? ?????????? ?????CD?T??????????????? ??????????????CD?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?? From sentinel at d6.dion.ne.jp Wed Oct 29 07:19:43 2003 From: sentinel at d6.dion.ne.jp (Masahiro HIRAYAMA) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:19:43 +0900 Subject: [Cc-jp] =?utf-8?b?RGlnaXRhbCBDb2RlKFJERikg44Gr44KC44Go44Gl44GP?= =?utf-8?b?5ZWG5qWt5Yip55So6Kix6Ku+44Gu5piO56S6?= Message-ID: <009401c39e17$16d04450$fc1a7ed3@hrym> ????? ??????????????????????????? v2.0 ???? ????????? v2.1 ????????????????????? ?????????? ?? CC weblog ????????? CC RDF License Validator ??? rss/rdf ?????????????HTML????????????? ?????????????????????????????? http://www.yergler.net/projects/ccvalidator/ ?????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????? Digital Code (RDF) ????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????? Chief Technical Officer ? Mike Linksvayer??????????????? http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/3875 ??????????????????????????????????? ??? Commons Deed ???????NonCommercial ??????????? ????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ????????????????? Digital Code ???????????? ??????????????????????????????????? Masahiro HIRAYAMA sentinel at d6.dion.ne.jp http://harunoriyukamu.at.infoseek.co.jp/