[cc-community] What does NC means?

Giorgos Cheliotis giorgos at smu.edu.sg
Thu Sep 20 07:15:47 EDT 2007


Dear Milos, with all respect even if I sympathize with your love for
free culture, I find that your attacks on NC are sometimes misplaced.
Even when I put the NC work on Wikimedia, I may be using a commercial
ISP to do so. Does this mean I have violated the NC constraint? I don't
think so. What if I put it on my personal ad-free blog which happens to
be hosted on a commercial provider? Again, it would be entirely
unreasonable to call this a violation of the NC constraint. 

NC can be simply interpreted as "you can use/share my work but don't try
to make money off that use". There is nothing very complicated about
that. There will be cases where it is not entirely clear what
constitutes commercial use, and the lawyers among us can battle it out,
but this is beside the point. Most people with a brain between their
ears will get the simple message that they should not try to make money
from this work, unless they negotiate a separate license with the
author. It is rather simple after all, if you try to think for a second
about how NC could work, instead of looking for reasons why it won't
work.

Now if someone would start a new thread please :)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org 
> [mailto:cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Milos Rancic
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:24 PM
> To: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [cc-community] What does NC means?
> 
> On 9/18/07, Giorgos Cheliotis <giorgos at smu.edu.sg> wrote:
> > 1. BY-NC-ND allows for file-sharing, so BY-NC-ND does not equal (C)
> 
> If BY-NC(-ND) work was put on Flickr, you are not able to 
> share it on Picasa. Also, you are not able to share any 
> non-commercial-provider-shared work on some commercial 
> provider. In other words, only well known place where such 
> works may be legally shared are places like Wikimedia and 
> Internet Archive (but, I am sure that you are not able to 
> share it on Wikimedia and I am not sure that it may be shared 
> on Internet Archive). In all cases you are giving possibility 
> to the third party to make profit on that work.
> 
> Also, you are not even able to share it on your blog if your 
> blog stays on some commercial provider (like, for example, 
> Blogspot and Wordpress are).
> 
> So, this is just one obvious oxymoron.
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