[b-hebrew] language level
if at math.bu.edu
Tue Feb 1 10:02:45 EST 2011
0. I will report it as soon as as it is done.
1. I am not a big fan of Mrs. Einstein, but I love Herr Doktor.
2. BARA, like PARA, is 'to disperse', it consists of BA-RA, 'be-
many'. When I meet Mrs. Einstein in heaven (I assume we will be both
placed on the same side of the "deictic center" of the Mighty One) I
will try to explain this to her, but I know from experience that
Balkan women are hard headed.
3. I am glad you agree that thickness implies being, and hope you
also agree that being implies thickness.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
On Feb 1, 2011, at 12:30 AM, fred burlingame wrote:
> Hello Isaac:
> Thanks for your comments.
> Please allow me to respond in reverse order.
> 1. I am very interested in your planned experiment. I wait with
> great anticipation to hear the results of whether the secular,
> fluent, hebrew speaker in 2011 can understand, at all, hebrew
> language of torah read or spoken to him.
> 2. Perhaps mrs. einstein was the smarter of the two. Didn't she
> have to abandon her mathematics and take another job to support his
> thinking? Perhaps mrs. einstein would opine that "ba-ra" simply
> means "to fill." ... :)
> 3. Thickness implies being? I agree.
> fred burlingame
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu> wrote:
> 1. I consider root ZB, ZV as composed of the two single consonant
> roots Z+B, namely, זע+בא or עז+עב or יצא+עבה or צאה
> +בעה. With a B, it is for the coming out of bodily fluids ,and
> with a V, it is for the coming out of light.
> 2. The English "to come" is somewhat misleading. BA is 'to be', and
> to be means to have עובי. How can you otherwise 'be'? ANI BA-
> BAYIT means I am home.
> 3. The question is what is "understand". Even Einstein did not
> understand what is really meant by בראשית ברא אלוהים
> את השמים ואת הארץ
> I don't see any inherent difference between the language of the
> Torah and the language spoken today, except for this funny VA-YI-GA
> $ (come-he-approach, presently-he-approach) form, which is now
> outmoded. I will try to find someone young speaking good Hebrew,
> but ignorant of the torah (in the diaspora it is easy as may
> children of Israeli parents speak good Hebrew but have gone to
> English school and have never opened the Hebrew bible) and read to
> him some passages and see if he gets it.
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 7:30 PM, fred burlingame wrote:
>> Hello Isaac:
>> Sorry about the mischaracterization of your granddaugther.
>> If I understand you correctly, zee-vah זיוה the popular name;
>> and zeev-ah זיבה the illness, have a common etymology. And that
>> commonality includes the identity of letters "vav" ו and "bet"
>> ב ; and the single root meaning: "to come."
>> The verb עבה "a-va" as thick, and as expressed in noun form 1
>> kings 7:26, I suppose I can see as emanating from the root letter
>> "bet," ב "to come."
>> Your comment in your paragraph 2 is most interesting. I thought
>> that a person raised and trained in the hebrew language spoken in
>> israel today, cannot, absent special additional training,
>> understand a reading of the torah? Am I incorrect in this conclusion?
>> In other words, the average college educated person in america,
>> who never read the english language bible, can nonetheless
>> understand the english language of the bible being read to him the
>> first time at say age 21.
>> Is that true for the average college educated person in israel who
>> has never read the torah? Can she understand the torah being read
>> to her for the first time at say age 21? ... Or does such a person
>> Thanks for your comments.
>> fred burlingame
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu> wrote:
>> 0. She is not my "relative", she is my granddaughter, and she is
>> not "very young", she is 5 years old.
>> 1. Yes. ABAH and AWAH mean that something came, BA, materialized
>> עבה (or עוה), and settled in our consciousness, driving us to
>> yield to it's, often vehement, insistence. So, BA LI is a clear
>> and succinct ANI MIT-ABAH (namely, מתאוה or מתעבה) LE-.
>> 2. there is no such thing as "modern" Hebrew.
>> 3. I return to my previous example. You may call (by voice) your
>> daughter ZIYBAH, but you must write it ZIYVAH (the registrar may
>> refuse to register ZIYBAH in order to protect the dignity and
>> reputation of the child). We are calling her ZIYBAH (which is the
>> same as ZIYVAH), but we know that it is written with a vav. Seeing
>> the word and hearing the word are interconnected.
>> 4. All you have to do to study Hebrew etymology is to put your
>> mind to it.
>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>> (Isaac Fried, Boston University
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