[b-hebrew] Pharoah

James Read J.Read-2 at sms.ed.ac.uk
Wed Jun 10 10:17:48 EDT 2009


Also, the article actually argues the case that the Pharaoh was a 12th  
dynasty Pharaoh and the Hyksos were able to take over Egypt without a  
fight because there was no Egyptian army to defend Egypt (having ended  
up at the bottom of the Red Sea).

James Christian

Quoting James Read <J.Read-2 at sms.ed.ac.uk>:

> It's definitely worth considering. Egyptian chronology is, of course,
> to be suspected.
>
> The only problem I really see is this. The pyramids are not made of
> baked straw based bricks.
>
> James Christian
>
> Quoting K Randolph <kwrandolph at gmail.com>:
>
>> Bryant:
>>
>> Like James, I had trouble accepting that Ramases II was the pharaoh of
>> the Exodus, and like you I concluded that the Hyksos played a part. I
>> concluded on the basis of the text of Exodus that the pharaoh of the
>> Exodus was one of the last, if not the last, of the Hyksos pharaohs
>> where the possibility of plagues having weakened the Hyksos
>> sufficiently that the native Egyptians could then expel them.
>>
>> Since then I came across
>> http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/moses.asp which, better than
>> I can repeat him, makes the case that the pharaoh of the Exodus was a
>> 13th dynasty pharaoh.
>>
>> There are a few things we can say for certain that the text of Tanakh
>> claims: that the Exodus happened in the mid 15th century BC, leaving
>> Egypt shattered and defenseless; that this event happened either 215
>> (LXX) or 430 (MT) years after Jacob moved to Egypt; that it was
>> sudden; and that it involved a large number of people. All of these
>> conditions fit the 13th dynasty Egypt, and are possible for a Hyksos
>> period Exodus (where Egyptian destruction of records would have erased
>> Egyptian record of the Exodus). The other option is that the text of
>> Tanakh is not accurate history.
>>
>> The only thing we can say for certain is that if Tanakh is correct,
>> then Egyptian history is a mess, and centuries wrong. And if the
>> Manetho based Egyptian history is correct, then the Bible is
>> hopelessly wrong.
>>
>> Karl W. Randolph.
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