[b-hebrew] Qohelet, chapter 12
if at math.bu.edu
Tue Apr 22 07:36:29 EDT 2008
I am not in the habit of looking at foreign translations of the HB.
In my Qoren edition of the TN"K the word BOR)-EY-KA is written with a
yod [so also in the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia] and I see it as
plural. Indeed, "Remember your Creator in the days of your youth"
does not make as much sense as "Keep in mind your forebears [some
old, some dead] in the days of your youth".
I would relate this BR) to the BAR, 'son, child', of Proverbs 31:2.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
On Apr 22, 2008, at 1:00 AM, <pporta at oham.net> wrote:
> 1. Are you sure that "BWR)YK" means here "your ancestors" and not
> "your Creator" (= God, the Creator: Gn 1:1)?
> 2. Do you know of any translation -either to English or to another
> language- that has "your ancestors" (or equivalent) and not "your
> Creator" (or equivalent)?
> Pere Porta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isaac Fried
> To: <pporta at oham.net>
> Cc: B-Hebrew Hebrew
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Qohelet, chapter 12
> To ask within the language what a Hebrew verb means is to ask for
> its concrete, root meaning. The root ZKR contains the letter R and
> is hence referring to a material state of dispersion or
> aggregation. By the equivalence assumption on G, H, X, K, Q and D,
> Z, T, Y, S, C, $, T it is a member of the extended family of roots
> (some not in the HB)
> דגר, יגר, סגר, שגר, תגר
> דהר, זהר, טהר, יהר, סהר, צהר
> טחר, יחר, סחר, צחר, שחר, תחר
> זכר, סכר, שכר
> דקר, זקר, יקר, שקר
> The verb ZAKAR, 'integrate, assimilate, remember, recall to mind'
> is obviously a borrowing from ZHR, 'shine', SGR, 'enclose', SKR,
> 'accumulate', and, the outer, ZQR, 'rise, thrust up'.
> The BOR)-EY-KA of Ecclesiastes 12:1 is in the plural and means
> 'your ancestors, your progenitors, your forefathers' (that were
> also once young but are now gone.)
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
> On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:26 AM, <pporta at oham.net> <pporta at oham.net>
>> As I said some weeks ago, I'm reading Qohelet chapter 12 and
>> trying to
>> extend my understanding of it.
>> So verse 1: WZ:KOR )ET BWOR:)EKF...., remember your creator in the
>> days of
>> your youth... has, to my sense, a range of issues to deal with:
>> 1. May we infer from this that chapter 12 was mainly written -or
>> even ONLY
>> written- for young people?
>> 2. May we understand the term B:XWROTEYKF not only as the youth
>> time of our
>> life (say from 15 to 30 years of our life) but also as all the
>> time of our
>> life that is before we become aged and/or decrepit?
>> 3. What does here the verb "ZKR" really mean?
>> Does it mean:
>> A. Be aware that man has been created by someone, that no man has
>> B. Remember to worship this Creator and keep his rules?
>> What is in fact the extent of this verb "ZKR"? Does this ZKR get
>> the same
>> extent, for example, as ZKR in Ecc 9:15, where it is said that
>> people did
>> not remember (namely they forgot) a man who had by his wisdom
>> delivered them
>> from ennemies?
>> Pere Porta
>> Barcelona (Spain)
>> b-hebrew mailing list
>> b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
More information about the b-hebrew