[b-hebrew] Ecc 12:6: BWR

pporta at oham.net pporta at oham.net
Tue Apr 1 14:13:24 EDT 2008


Karl,

I would like to hear from you two or three examples or samples of English 
verbs that are used both transitively and intransitively.
As regards "to run"... are you sure that it is one of them?
If yes, do you think that:

1. I run 20 miles every week  -- is intransitive use
2. I cannot run this program -- is transitive use?

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Heartly,

Pere Porta


>> 1. How do you understand a "transitive use" of an INtransitive verb?
>>
>
> There are verbs that can be used as both transitives and intransitives. 
> The
> English verb "to run" is one of them. The Hebrew verb RWC has a similar
> meaning in the intransitive, and appears from at least one use that it 
> could
> be used as a transitive as well.
>
>
>> 2. Look at B. in  www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d221.html and be aware that this
>> pattern was approved by the Academy of the Hebrew Language in 1996 as
>> Niph'al Past, third person singular masculine, of verbs ayin-ayin (RCC) 
>> (not
>> of verbs ayin-waw: RWC)
>>
>
> Who is the Academy of the Hebrew Language that I should listen to them? I
> never heard of them before (at least not by that name). If the context
> indicates one meaning, should I listen to the context or to some claims by
> other people without giving their reasons?
>
>>
>>
>> Pere
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* K Randolph <kwrandolph at gmail.com>
>> *To:* pporta at oham.net
>> *Cc:* B-Hebrew <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 31, 2008 7:44 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [b-hebrew] Ecc 12:6: BWR
>>
>> Pere:
>> You're right on the number, I mistyped it.
>>
>> What I said was that this is a transitive use of the verb. As a 
>> transitive
>> use, the niphal is possible, even though in this particular example it is
>> qal. As far as I know, intransitive verbs cannot take a niphal, but
>> transitive ones can.
>>
>> Karl W. Randolph.
>>
>>
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