crazymulgogi at gmail.com
Sat Mar 18 08:17:41 EST 2006
I'm very sorry, I have to correct myself below:
I wrote "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does
the perishable inherit the perishable"
Of course this must read:
"flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the
perishable inherit the *im*perishable";
I should just copy and paste, not type things myself ;)
2006/3/18, Herman Meester <crazymulgogi at gmail.com>:
> 2006/3/18, Peter Kirk <peter at qaya.org>:
> > Paul most certainly did believe in the literal resurrection of dead
> > bodies, as witnessed for him by the literally dead and resurrected body
> > of Jesus which he saw. Read 1 Corinthians 15, especially vv.3-8.
> I did, and I read in 15,35-49 exactly that Paul does not consider this
> resurrection of the dead to happen literally to corpses. Paul says
> (44) σπειρεται σωμα ψυχικον, εγειρεται σωμα πνευματικον "sown a
> physical [="with psyche"] body, raised a spiritual body" And
> immediately following that: "if there's a physical body [again, a
> material, earthly body to which a psyche is added], then there's an
> immaterial/spiritual [pneumatikon] body, too."
> We can read this as we like, but I prefer reading what Paul says, not
> what the Church fathers wanted Paul to say. If we read this letter as
> it is, it is very clear that the body needs a transformation before it
> can become heavenly.
> Paul himself is very clear (15,50):
> σαρξ και αιμα βασιλειαν θεου κληρονομησαι ου δυναται ουδε η φθορα την
> αφθαρσιαν κληρονομει: "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of
> God, nor does the perishable inherit the perishable";
> There are no substantial variant readings in the mss., and Corinthians
> is an undisputed letter of Paul's.
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