[b-hebrew] Daniel 6:27 (time indefinite) II
peter at qaya.org
Thu Nov 17 19:05:28 EST 2005
On 17/11/2005 23:38, Karl Randolph wrote:
>The "core meaning" (which I think you introduced in this
I borrowed the term "core meaning" from Rolf because this was something
we could agree on against you. But to me and I think to Rolf, the "core
meaning" is does not necessarily correspond to the meaning of each
individual occurrence. So finding some examples of non-eternal `olam (if
there are any) would not demonstrate that the "core meaning" is not
>... goes back to our discussions on whether or
>not lexemes have basically one meaning or many. As for
>me, I still maintain that lexemes have one basic meaning
>for each time period, but that they can change over time.
>Also we need to keep in mind complex lexemes (where
>two or more lexemes used consistently together can have
>its own meaning separate from each component lexeme)
>and idiomatic phrases.
>That one meaning may have a broad semantic use, or
>narrow one, or may even be a total subset of another one,
>but that doesn't change the basic pattern.
>This is the way people use language.
No it isn't, Karl. There are many English words which do not have a
basic meaning in this sense. Think of "get" or "run", which by no means
always mean anything like the possible "core meanings" "obtain" and
"move fast with one's legs" respectively.
>Translators often find that the semantic range of one
>lexeme in an originating language may overlap two or
>more semantic ranges in a receiving language, hence an
>accurate translation can use two or more lexemes to
>render the meaning of the originating language. But that's
>a problem of translation, not language use.
I agree with you here, but it isn't a problem for me but a normal matter
of translation. The only problem is that Rolf and others like him do not
recognise that this is a problem.
>Likewise, I think your view of (WLM is too narrow.
Maybe, but what is your evidence for that?
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