[b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?
kwrandolph at email.com
Thu Jan 27 15:18:30 EST 2005
Who's "inventing" a second Goliath? Do you mean to imply that it was impossible for two distinctly different people to share the same name, in this case Goliath?
The stories of the killings are so different that it raises more questions to combine them than to allow that two different individuals shared the same name. The first was years before David ascended the throne, the second after David was aging and declining in strength, the first David stepped boldly out where the army feared to tread, the second after the army commanded David not to step out on the field of battle, and so forth. Is it possible that the second Golaith was a son of the first? It sounds as if enough years passed between the two killings to make it possible.
Just as in my family I had an uncle and have a cousin who have the same first and last names as I, so I have no trouble in allowing the text to speak for itself, that there were two different individuals who shared the same name, and probably from the same family where it is possible that the second was named after the first.
Karl W. Randolph.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Roberts" <formoria at carolina.rr.com>
> Which, then is the more unnecessary conclusion? Conflating Elhanan
> with David or speculating on two Goliaths? Do we have evidence of
> two Goliaths? Is the second form simply not a more precise way of
> saying the first? In other words, Gath was a Philistine city, so
> where is the need to invent a second Goliath?
> Best Salaams,
> On Thursday, January 27, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Karl Randolph wrote:
> > Brian:
> > Have you ever considered that there may have been two different
> > giants with the same name?
> > In 1 Samuel 17 the giant was called "Goliath the Philistine".
> > In 2 Samuel 21 a list of four giants from Gath are mentioned, one
> > of whom was named "Goliath of Gath". Not only is this second
> > Goliath given a different handle, but the battle in which he is
> > killed is different, in time, place, and circumstance.
> > Thus there is no need to try to conflate David with Elhanen.
> > Karl W. Randolph.
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