[b-hebrew] Job: Who Influenced Whom?
dwashbur at nyx.net
Fri Jun 11 18:19:45 EDT 2004
On Friday 11 June 2004 10:34, david.kimbrough at charter.net wrote:
> It is important to re-state what the debate is about.
> QUESTION: Is there any evidence that the Sumerian Job-like poems of 1700 BC
> were influenced by a pre-existing Hebrew poems?
> ANSWER: No there is no evidence that any such Hebrew poems existed or that
> any language existed at that time that might be called Hebrew.
No one has actually said that the Sumerian was influenced by the Hebrew. I
merely pointed out that it cannot be stated with any confidence that the
Hebrew was influenced by the Sumerian, any more than it can be stated that
the reverse was true.
> AMPLIFICATION: It is impossible to prove a negative. It can never
> demonstrated that Job was not written in 3,000 BC or 2,000 BC or 1,000 BC.
> The fact that something cannot be disproven, proves nothing. I cannot
> disprove the fact that there are little green men living on the far side of
> the moon. That however is no argument that they actually are there.
Like the above regarding the question of Hebrew influence, this is a straw
man. The comparison to "little green men living on the far side of the moon"
is an attempt at a reductio ad absurdum that doesn't work, partly because
with Job we are dealing with historical questions that can be tested, at
least to some degree, for reasonableness, and partly because we do in fact
have very detailed pictures of the far side of the moon and it definitely
appears to be uninhabited.
> It can be proven that Job was not written in 1,000 AD however. This is
> because is evidence, in the form of the LXX and DSS, that in fact there
> were written versions of Job around 100 BC, in both Greek and Hebrew
> ADDITIONAL POINTS:
> 1) Job is said to own 3,000 camels. It is pretty well established that
> camels were not domesticated too much before 1,000 BC. Job is also
> presented as being a sedentary individual, not a migratory shepherd as
> would be more appropriate to a Israelite of the patriarchal era.
The camel question has been answered several times, and it's clear that some
sources are out of date. More important, nobody said Job was an Israelite,
and the text never hints that he is. This is yet another straw man based on
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