[b-hebrew] Isaiah 9:6 Wonderful Counselor
peterkirk at qaya.org
Fri Dec 31 07:08:10 EST 2004
On 31/12/2004 04:23, Schmuel wrote:
>Thanks, I didn't know we had Wycliffe online -- got it bookmarked.
>I thought he had only done a portion of Tanach, so I may have to check into that some.
Wycliffe and his followers did a whole Bible, in fact two versions I
think. Wycliffe himself was not the main translator but it was issued on
>Peter, I don't think you are remotely in sound statistics land :-)
>We have only four possible ways of handling the question that you isolated.
>Here are some of the most significant, and less related, English translations I could find -
> 6 historical biggies, 2 literal, and 3 other more recent
>1) Wonderful, Counsellor -- Mighty, God - Wycliffe
>2) Wonderful Counsellor -- Mighty, God -
>3) Wonderful, Cousellor -- Mighty God - ASV, KJB, Geneva, Douay, Youngs, WEB
>4) Wonderful Counsellor -- Mighty God - NAS, Rotherdam, NIV, Tyndale, Matthew
>Well, its pretty clear that the separation of Mighty and God is the singular oddball anomaly,
>(understandably), coming from Wycliffe.
>Omitting such, we than have only two real possibilities, both frequently used.
>So seeing KJB and Douay match, (with the Geneva), should not be at all surprising,
>is reasonably likely, and not even remotely "highly improbable" :-)
Well, the improbability is resolved from the data which you give, that
the Geneva Bible before them inserted this first, and could be copied by
both KJV and Douay-Rheims. But then the Geneva Bible which you quote is
surely not the original unedited, as its spellings are certainly not
16th century ones, so I would want to check an original printing first,
as you have for KJV.
>Geneva - http://www.genevabible.org/files/Geneva_Bible/Old_Testament/Isaiah.pdf
>Tyndale - http://alleluya.com/ot/isaiah_9.html
But Tyndale never got as far as Isaiah, surely? It is clear from the
bottom of http://alleluya.com/ot/index.html that this "Tyndale" text is
in fact taken from Matthew's Bible, the same text which I quoted.
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