Marcio L Redondo
mredondo at liverpool.ac.uk
Thu Jun 17 21:33:44 EDT 1999
I would like to say a few things about secret codes and gematria.
One's methodology is crucial to ascertaining whether secret codes do exist in the Bible or not. How can we know there are or there are not hidden codes in the biblical text? In my opinion there are two methods which seem most appropriate: a) trying to apply the same "decoding technique" to non-religious texts, and b) trying to extract opposite results from the Hebrew Bible.
If the same technique gives a similar result in texts other than the Bible, then what should we conclude? These "codes" are pure chance. Just it.
And if it gives counter-examples in the form of absurd theological statements (e.g., God is a liar, god doesn't exist, etc.), the conclusion is that they contradict and thus weaken enormously the claims that the "secret codes" are real.
Tsadowq (would you mind using your real name when posting to this list?) wrote:
>The "evidence" provided on the "Moby Dick--Assassination"
>website, if *actually* and *truly* investigated, is more of
>a farce than ELS is.
Such a statement without any further evidence being provided is unscientific. I would like Tsadowq to tell us of any *actual* and *true* investigation (by him/her or anyone else) which proved it is a farce. I am interested in knowing both their method and results.
A couple of paragraphs earlier s/he wrote:
>Indeed-- all we have seen to date, are posts which point to
>a website and say, "Here, go to this website, they will
>prove these so called Bible Codes wrong".
Well, I went and was convinced. I should say I have no problems with being referred to websites. I myself prefer to go to good websites, where their authors have taken the time to write down their ideas. In a list (like this one) many of us simply don't have the time to put into words things that we believe others have already done well.
Some websites are very good, including the one on Moby Dick (http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html). (By the way, thanks to whoever told the list about the Moby Dick website.)
Now about gematria. It is one possibility in the Bible (as in many other books). But we must be aware of numerology and cabalism, because they are unscientific. In my opinion, gematria are marks that an author's leaves on his writings. It has nothing to do with meaning. It displays one's competence as an author. But unlike chiasm, parallelism, and many other features, I can't consider it a literary device.
By the way, Muslims claim there are secret codes and gematria in their holy book, the Quran. There are sites on the net dedicated to it. One I have just checked is http://www.submission.org/ . There you will find the Muslim version of both the so-called secret codes and gematria.
Marcio L. Redondo
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