[B-Greek] John 1:18 (EKEINOS)

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 21 14:57:51 EST 2011


Other than in a prepositional phrase, QEON is the only accusative.  I think I'd 
give that a shot.

 george
gfsomsel 


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From: Edgar Foster <edgarfoster2003 at yahoo.com>
To: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>; b-greek list <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 12:53:57 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 1:18 (EKEINOS)

Carl and B-Greekers,

My apologies for asking the wrong question. I should have paid more attention 
when typing this email. Of course, you are right about the referent of EKEINOS. 
What I should have asked concerns the implicit object of EXHGHSATO in John 1:18. 
The text states that MONOGENHS QEOS "explained" [understood "him"].

Who did the Son likely explain? Was it God in his essence (since QEON is 
anarthrous) or was it the Father more specifically? I hope my question is worded 
properly this time around.

Thank you,

Edgar Foster

--- On Mon, 2/21/11, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 1:18 (EKEINOS)
> To: "Edgar Foster" <edgarfoster2003 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "b-greek list" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Monday, February 21, 2011, 1:47 PM
> 
> On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Edgar Foster wrote:
> 
> > Greetings to all,
> > 
> > The text: QEON OUDEIS hEWRAKEN PWPOTE MONOGENHS QEOS
> hO WN EIS TON KOLPON TOU PATROS EKEINOS EXHGHSATO.
> > 
> > Assuming that the reading above is to be preferred,
> how would you understand the referent of EKEINOS? Is it God
> with respect to his essence (in view of the anarthrous QEON)
> that MONOGENHS QEOS "explained" or is it more strictly
> speaking, the Father that was explained? It could be the
> Father specifically since John writes about EIS TON KOLPON
> TOU PATROS
> 
> I would reaffirm what I think is a standard view here, that
> EKEINOS refers to MONOGENHS QEOS hO WN EIS TON KOLPON TOU
> PATROS. I think this sense is pretty much that categorized
> in BDAG s.v. EKEINOS a.β.:
> 
>    β. referring back to and resuming a
> word immediately preceding, oft. weakened to he, she, it
> (X., An. 4, 3, 20; Just., D. 1, 3 al.) Mk 16:10f. Esp. oft.
> so in J: 5:37; 8:44; 10:6; 11:29; 12:48; 13:6 v.l.; 14:21,
> 26; 16:14 al. Hence 19:35 perh. the eyewitness (just
> mentioned) is meant, who then, to be sure, would be vouching
> for his own credibility and love of the truth (s.
> aG).—Interchanging w. AUTOS (cp. Thu. 1, 32, 5; X., Cyr.
> 4, 5, 20; Lysias 14, 28; Kühner-G. I 649) EZWGRHMENOI
> hUP᾿ AUTOU EIS TO EKEINOU QELHMA under the spell of his
> will 2 Ti 2:26. EKEINOS for AUTOS Lk 9:34 v.l.; 23:12 v.l.
> Used to produce greater emphasis: EKEINON LABWN take that
> one Mt 17:27; cp. J 5:43. THi EKEINOU CARITI by his grace
> Tit 3:7. Sim. after a participial subj. (X., Cyr. 6, 2, 33
> hO GAR LOGCHN AKONWN, EKEINOS KAI THN YUCHN TI PARAKONAi=the
> one who sharpens his spear, he is the one who sharpens his
> inner self) TO EKPOREUOMENON EKEINO KOINOI Mk 7:20. hO
> PEMYAS EKEINOS J 1:33; cp 5:37 v.l. (for AUTOS) hO POIHSAS
> ME hUGIH EKEINOS 5:11. hO LALWN EKEINOS ESTIN 9:37. hO
> EISERCOMENOS EKEINOS KLEPTHS ESTIN 10:1. TWi LOGIZOMENWi . .
> . EKEINWi KOINON Ro 14:14 al.
> 
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> 
> 
> 
> 


      
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