stancu at mail.dnttm.ro
Sun Jan 3 07:53:39 EST 2010
This message which I received from Nikolaos Adamou could be interesting for the list, which is why I am forwarding it (and Nicolaos is not in disagreement with that). I am just adding the transliteration of the Greek words to his original message.
From: Nikolaos Adamou [mailto:nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:14 AM
To: stancu at mail.dnttm.ro
I will not comment on the main issues of pronunciation, Μάρκος Φωσφόρος MARKOS FWSFOROS did that, and I agree with him – you are mostly Erasmian with some variations. I will not argue about that. Your accentuation in general terms it is correct, and this is not usually the case with people who use this form. Also you have the correct idea about the accents. I would suggest you to use accents even in Modern Greek- having polytonic system, even if the Greek State made the unwise decision to eliminate the circumflex, as years ago, when I was a student all books did not use the acute. In factual reality, even you one native speaker does not use all accents in their written form; the voice fluctuates appropriately as if he know the accentuation rules. Help for all related issues you may obtain from
All official communication of the Church of Greece are not in monotonic, but as generations that were not taught Greek appropriately are appointed in various offices you see either the non existence of the grave, or just a simple monotonic form. Accents were part of the musical notation in Greek, even when only capital letters were used without accents. They show how the voice fluctuates, and there are there, even if one does not write them.
The other suggestion is that you should try to read the actual biblical text in Modern Greek pronunciation and not any translations in Modern Greek. There is no need to use translations if you can access the text, and several of them are corrected. An interesting book was published in Greek about the ΕΠΙΚΙΝΔΥΝΕΣ ΜΕΤΑΦΡΑΣΕΙΣ ΤΗΣ ΒΙΒΛΟΥ ἀπὸ ἀλλοιωμένα κείμενα EPIKINDUNES METAFRASEIS THS BIBLOU APO ALLOIWMENA KEIMENA
I would like to make some comments of the words you used.
ἄτομος άτομο ATOMOS ATOMO there are not of the same or similar meaning.
ἄτομος ATOMOS G823
From G1 (as a negative particle) and the base of G5114; uncut, that is, (by implication) indivisible (an "atom" of time): - moment.
G5114 τομώτερος tomōteros tom-o'-ter-os
Compound of a derivative of the primary word τέμνω temnō (to cut; more comprehensive or decisive than G2875, as if by a single stroke; whereas that implies repeated blows, like hacking); more keen: - sharper.
while the noun ἄτομο ATOMO as an atom in physics/chemistry or a person.
βάζω βάζο BAZW BAZO the first a verb, - put- while the second a noun – vase.
γάμμα GAMMA (the name of the letter); γάμα GAMA Active voice, Present Imperative, of the verb γαμάω - γαμῶ GAMAW - GAMW. “Ὁ ἄγαμος μεριμνᾷ τά τοῦ Κυρίου πῶς ἀρέσει τῷ Κυρίῳ, ὁ δέ γαμίσας μεριμνᾷ τά τοῦ κόσμου πῶς ἀρέσει τῇ γυναικί” O AGAMOS MERIMNA TA TOU KURIOU PWS ARESEI TW KURIW, O DE GAMISAS MERIMNA TA TOU KOSMOU PWS ARESEI TW GUNAIKI
1 Tim 4:3: κωλυόντων γαμεῖν‚ ἀπέχεσθαι βρωμάτων. ... KWLOUNTWN GAMEIN, APEXESQAI BRWMATWN. ... 1 Tim 5:14: Βούλομαι οὖν νεωτέρας γαμεῖν‚ τεκνογονεῖν‚ οἰκοδεσποτεῖν. BOULOMAI OUN NEWTERAS GAMEIN, TEKNOGONEIN, OIKODESPOTEIN.
λάμβδα; λάμδα LAMBDA; LAMDA
the β B sound is very very small while you pronounce it very heavy
ἐμπαθεία EMPAQEIA I think the accent is not correct, it should be Empathy (from the Greek ἐμπάθεια EMPAQEIA. For the appropriate rule see in
ἤρεμος, ἔρημος HREMOS, ERHMOS, two very different words that your pronunciation makes them very difficult to differentiate acoustically.
ζώγραφος ZWGRAFOS The accent is wrong, it should be ζωγράφος.
ἰδιολογία 'ιδιαίτερη συνομιλία', ἰδιολόγος 'ιδιαίτερος κυβερνητικός υπάλληλος υπό τον έπαρχο της Αιγύπτου' IDIOLOGIA 'IDIAITERH SUNOMILIA', IDIOLOGOS 'IDIAITEROS KUBERNHTIKOS UPALLHLOS UPO TON EPARXO THS AIGUPTOU',
used in corrupted Greek for ἰδεολογία IDEOLOGIA «ΣΕ ΚΑΜΙΑ ΠΕΡΙΠΤΩΣΗ ΔΕΝ ΖΟΥΝ ΣΥΜΦΩΝΑ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΙΔΙΟΛΟΓΙΑ ΤΟΥΣ» «SE KAMIA PEROPTWHS DEN ZOUN SUMFWNIA ME THN IDIOLOGIA TOUS»
κάππα KAPPA; the name of the letter κάπα KAPA
ἡ κάπα f. (kápa) (plural κάπες (kápes))
A shepherd's cape
A woman's long sleeveless overcoat or cloak.
Τὸ κάππα TO KAPPA (n)
give the second as an alternative spelling of the first, the sound is clearly with double ππ, even if one writes it with one.
κενός καθολικός ἡδονή KENOS KAQOLIKOS HDONH
the last accented syllabi is always with grave to smooth the voice, except if there is a punctuation, when the punctuation is pronounce to give the appropriate meaning –not with an acute as above and maybe elsewhere.
ὀρθόγραφος ORQOGRAFOS, the correct is accent is ὀρθογράφος ORQOGRAFOS – spell checker, or the one who spells correctly,
while the one who is nor in correct spelling then is ἀνορθόγραφος ANORQOGRAFOS
οἰκομαχία OIKOMAXIA, domestic conflict, Heph. Astr.2.34.
in clear difference with the known
εἰκονομαχία EIKONOMAXIA iconomachy
ῥῶ Rho BUT by no means hro
παρρησία PARRHSIA there is no an (h) sound
παῤῥησία PARRHSIA when there are to ρρ, then the first is a soft inhalation sign and the following rough, since there is a need to inhale and exhale at that moment.
ἀρραγής ARRAGHS should be ἀῤῥαγὴς ARRAGHS for the same as above reason.
Nikolaos Adamou, Ph.D. ἀναπλ. καθ. Νικόλαος 'Αδάμου
Associate Professor of Business Management Διοίκηση Ἐπιχειρήσεων
BMCC / CUNY Πανεπιστήμιο Πόλεως Νέας Ὑόρκης, Κολλέγιο Μανχάτταν
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