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From: rodudley AT hotmail.com To: misschief AT earthlink.net Subject: RE: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:11:27 -0800 okay this just in. seems the white riot tour started in may '77 so my date markers must have been off! i know kate was not on the WR tour...which changes little of what i was trying to put across... From: misschief AT earthlink.net Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] THE SLITS REFORM FOR NEW SHOWS Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:17:35 -0600 To: typicalgirls AT lists.ibiblio.org; rodudley AT hotmail.com Robin . . . thanks so much for mending fences . . . i was kinda 'up in arms' -- I think I know it best, and it's a wake up call to find that others know too or kmow more, or know different -- and what's wrong with that? But my interest is more in the subjective; 'Historical' and revisionist compilations, books published by people just trying to make a name for themselves or a buck (which I'm sure they won't), by people who weren't there, offend me . . . or even by people who were there, but weren't punk per se . . . the more intellectual ones might make interesting reading . . . but they still don't hit the nail on the head -- OK, punk was a many-headed hydra and impossible to pin down . . . but when ya miss it, ya miss it, and its irritating as hell . . .hearsay = heresy Anyway, in the subjective I find the object, and in the objective, merely the subject . . . has this been said before? cuz i thought it was pretty damn profound of me when i figured it out in 1977 Well, i don't hold grudges and I melt when people are nice, so thanks again Robin. Shirley there are several scene-sters who could resolve our disagreement, and i wish they'd brave the fray and set us straight, come on my friends . . .I figure the 'argument' has basically boiled down to . . . was Viv in the band for the last Roxy gig (i say she was), or any other Roxy gig (don't know); and was she definitely in the band Summer '77? You say yea, I say nay . . . About Robin's other points, must admit that the way the girls sounded at the Roxy, it;s possible they couldn't hear each other . . . but what about the gigs after that, on different stages? still pretty rough . . . they got better of course , . . 'new town' became quite distinguishable, ... but honestly I didn't care how good or bad they were; i heard their music and got the message and it was always great . . . Can't agree with you that hearing on stage is acquired skill; sometimes you can hear and sometimes you can't, no rhyme or reason to it, monitors or no; I think even accomplished bands would agree, else why find those ear-mikey things necessary; and, unless you're the Police, i think the drums always squish off like that even when you learn to put a rug under them (you can see the level i'm on here, just another poor player upon the stage), but if the music has ahold of you, you manage to play 'em anyway . . . So, did we know each other? Besides the Roxy and every other punk show in town, I basically followed the Clash '77 and '78, first on my own then in 78 with my boyfriend Robin B., or C ., but not D. . . . little riddle there . . . also my 'sisters' the R-C, and during this time I probably missed some things, like the nuancing of the Slits . . . I do hope to find out more about you . . . maybe pursue privately, not to 'hijack' this forum . . . -- but thanks to whoever's listening . . . it's nice to be 'heard'! amw On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:48 AM, robin dudley wrote: yes, mike and j neo have a great grasp of the actual situation. that is basically what i was trying to describe. "can't play" meant exactly what you described, not that people actually couldn't play - though some WERE pretty rough. however it got to be a bit of oneupmanship about who had practiced least before jumping onstage. as a lot of people have pointed out who were also there at the time, the real energy surge was amazing and VERY short-lived! after that the cliches set in big time. even years later the "this band is so awful they're great" was repeated ad nauseam. Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. See how. Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. Sign up today. |
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