I never should have let my emotions get the best of me,
because Lawrence is asRather than bigoted, Lawrence (with whom I too have had heated historical differences and never-the-less consider him to be both a personal friend and a valuable asset to the biological agriculture movement), can take positions based on third-party opinions that shouldn't be considered "evidence" without a more substantial investigation of the issues, a trait many of us (and perhaps, Southerners in particular) seem to share; and he is a very active promoter and practitioner of access to information, not all of which can be adequately researched beforehand. I doubt that he has an axe to grind regarding this particular issue.
bigoted as it comes when it this kind of subject comes up, and I knew that
having subscribed here for a long time, and there's no possibility of rational
discussion with such people.
I apologize for my lack of discretion and will be
unsubscribe as it is evident from that the list owners comments that Catholics
are not welcome here and I don't want to intrude where I am not wanted.
Bob Waldrop
Oscar Romero Catholic Worker House
Oklahoma City
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From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tue, March 19, 2013 3:33:09 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Anti-catholicism, was Re: The people of Tibet need
help now - Boing Boing
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Robert Waldrop <bwaldrop1952@att.net>wrote:
I am not clicking on a link to read more anti-Catholic propaganda.
It is a bibilical saying worth reading. I attached the .jpg too. Something
about God gave humanity this world to live on and we should take care of it
and each other. That's what this Permaculture list is about.
I think the permaculture movement should not carry water for theWhat a hoot.
billionaires,
but instead welcome Francis as an ally.and natural agriculture communities as allies in the effort to feed and
I did suggest previously that the Catholic Church welcome the permaculture
lift up the poor, because we are good at that. Of course that will never
happen because there are pro choice elements in these communities. So it
goes.
Did Francis do all he could have during the Argentinian troubles? Idon't know,
I wasn't there. If you're going to quote Monbiot at me, you shouldremember that
Wow. Some reply; talk about lacking observational abilities. That was a
pretty serious genocidal event in Argentina carried out by the
billionaire/military thuggery you despise, or at least you say you do, and
all you can say is you don't know, you were not there at the time; well who
was? I guess next you'll say 'its not my job'. Those unfortunate victims
were a carbon copy of the alternative movements of America, Europe and
elsewhere. They were probably pro choice too, an attribute that would have
sealed their fate as far as the church was concerned. The priests who sided
with the alternative movement were abandoned by the church and thrown to
the genocidal military thugs.
Some record. All over doctrine and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Whatever he did or didn't do, my question is, if he did wrong, or didn't do
enough right, has he repented and changed his life and learned truths forYou must be joking. Sounds like typical fundamentalist boilerplate
the
present? If he did right, has he learned from those lessons truths for the
present? In the meantime, on the world stage, he is saying some good
things,
quotes that we can use. We should be happy somebody, anybody, with some
authority is saying the things he is saying about caring for Creation and
standing with the poor. Instead, we join in the cry of the crowd "CRUCIFY
HIM,
CRUCIFY HIM!"
propaganda.
I think this Creation you mention = DOCTRINE.
Creation = God gave us this world to live on and we need to take care of it
and all of its creatures
standing with the poor = make sure everyone is fed and that there are not
more mouths to feed than there is food to put in them....
And you know what that means don't you, Bob? Women's right to choose and
birth control, neither of which is acceptable in your camp. So what kind of
humanitarian are you?
LL
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