The point is not where the message comes from, but what the message is...
(If you required that I think of myself as a body, then I do not qualify for this list!I don't "require" anything. I don't really think of myself as a body, either, and I'd wager our views are probably not too far apart in many respects, though we may differ in the way we express or manifest those views.
I understand your feelings about newly joined people...Again, I disagree and I think this is my entire point in this discussion. I think that simply by observing what happens in the world through the particular lens of permaculture principles, one does naturally find patterns and have experiences that are filled with meaning and aliveness and richness, regardless of what deities one does or doesn't believe in. The world is filled with enough miracles to go around, that can be shared by everyone. By each of us focusing on our own brand of miracles, we miss out on that, as well as leave a lot of people out.
However, I have concerns about the loss of enrichment, meaning and aliveness for those currently present.
The loss of life to the list.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
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